Does anyone have court or police experience ?

[Anksy]

Quite unlikely, most sent to prison get addicted to harder drugs, sometimes not even drugs [new craze in prisons is snort powdered forms of the heroin substitute methadone]. The best way to get someone off drugs is to explain to them how their behaviour is affecting their loved ones and to give them all the help and support needed to quit, basically rehab.

rehab would the best option ofcourse, but you cant imagine how much advice and support hes had, he just doesnt care, but in the real world, some people just dont want support and dont care tbh, and thats as plain and simple as it is

No, if it was family or a close friend I would not involve the authorities as that would land my loved ones in more trouble rather than providing them with the help they needed. I would restrain them, talk to them, get more help from other family members in order to resolve the situation, rather than involve the police giving your family member a criminal record.

well ok, i wouldnt know what its like with a fammily member, if it was easy as that with that lad he wouldnt be on the verge of a sentence, as i restrained him once, he started crying, all was forgotton we went back in the pub to finish off our drinks, 5 minutes later he forgot everything that had happend and that is when the above happend.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

It depends on a few factors but with him being on referral for being caught in a stolen mv will be taken into account.I can't answer your question as I can't speak for the courts. All I can advise is the maximum sentences for what you have mentioned.

If it is Magistrates court he is at then he can't get anything more than 6 months for whatever he is up for.

A minor assault can be Common Assault. Max 6 months.

It can also be certain aspects of ABH. Max 5 years.

Assault on a Constable is maximum 6 months.

Racial elements can add up to 2 years on a sentence.

His brief will no doubt spin a good yarn how he has had a trouble childhood, is sorry, is doing charity work, is a drug addict and didn't know what he was doing etc.

 

[Anksy]

It depends on a few factors but with him being on referral for being caught in a stolen mv will be taken into account.I can't answer your question as I can't speak for the courts. All I can advise is the maximum sentences for what you have mentioned.

If it is Magistrates court he is at then he can't get anything more than 6 months for whatever he is up for.

A minor assault can be Common Assault. Max 6 months.

It can also be certain aspects of ABH. Max 5 years.

Assault on a Constable is maximum 6 months.

Racial elements can add up to 2 years on a sentence.

His brief will no doubt spin a good yarn how he has had a trouble childhood, is sorry, is doing charity work, is a drug addict and didn't know what he was doing etc.

thanks, good post

 

[ac1d1ty]

trying to back yourself up now , maybe not, was just a slip of the tongue, it depends which fammily it was, but what i ment was getting a knife out no matter who you are is dispicible.

but think about it please before you jump at me, if a member of your fammily comes at you with a knife, says hes gonna cut your throat, its not a bad decision to call the police, so dont jump on me like "OMG!", your drunk, threatening your own fammily members with a knife, wheres the best place to stay over night ? in a cell, but were going off the main story now

Actually no.....

I would not call the cops on my family.


I would be more concerned with disarming them and then finding out why the **** they would want to be stabbing me.


Better that than having the matter taken out of your hands and potentially ruining someones life.


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In regards your man, I would say that you have known him for 15+ years. Either he has been like this before in which case you have suessed him out and take him for what he is (eg a blagger). This would make calling the cops an ******** move.

OR

It could have been the first time. Unless I had direct suspicions that he was going to follow through (remember you have known him for 15years ), I would merely have broken of contact with him.


Calling the cops ALWAYS exasperates things.

 

[NVP]

rehab would the best option ofcourse, but you cant imagine how much advice and support hes had, he just doesnt care, but in the real world, some people just dont want support and dont care tbh, and thats as plain and simple as it is

I'm sure a few misguided peple are classed as "a lost cause" but most drug addicts are not in control, addictions are very hard habbits to drop and it's harder for some than others. I myself was an addict (although not hard drugs), and even with my loving family interventions and support and everything it was still a hard and long journey to get me to see the light. But once i had seen i had needed to change it was an even longer and harder journey to give up something that was such a big part of my life for so many years... some people just need the help and support and the patience and understandings of their friends n family to help them through such dark times.

 

[Anksy]

Calling the cops ALWAYS exasperates things.

ill just answer this one question because i dont want to answer to you anymore because my actions were very good! yet i say it again and i dont want to say it again and again, so...i say it again, if the police did not turn up he would have been trying to knock down my door with my grandparents in there, end of the convo tbh.


and these actions didnt exasperate things, its been about 6 months, no one down here has heard from him since that incident.

I'm sure a few misguided peple are classed as "a lost cause" but most drug addicts are not in control, addictions are very hard habbits to drop and it's harder for some than others. I myself was an addict (although not hard drugs), and even with my loving family interventions and support and everything it was still a hard and long journey to get me to see the light. But once i had seen i had needed to change it was an even longer and harder journey to give up something that was such a big part of my life for so many years... some people just need the help and support and the patience and understandings of their friends n family to help them through such dark times.

yep, understood, but this incident wasnt drug related though.

and you should agree, some people dont want help and want to be left alone.

hes just on cannabis, not hard drugs.

 

[Janesy B]

No, if it was family or a close friend I would not involve the authorities as that would land my loved ones in more trouble rather than providing them with the help they needed. I would restrain them, talk to them, get more help from other family members in order to resolve the situation, rather than involve the police giving your family member a criminal record.

When a 'friend' pulls a knife on me, that's the exact moment they stop being my friend.

 

[NVP]

ill just answer this one question because i dont want to answer to you anymore becaus emy actions were very good!, yet i say it again, if the police did not turn up he would have been trying to knock down my door with my grandparents in there, end of the convo tbh.


and these actions didnt exasperate things, its been about 6 months, no one down here has heard from him since that incident.

Sounds like your trying to justify not only to us, but to yourself... although with grandparents in the house I can kind of understand the thought to call the police was not a selfish reason but because you thought family were in danger as well, which is fully justifiable.

 

[Tefal]

All I can advise is the maximum sentences for what you have mentioned.

interesting, the police give maximums the press print minimums do lawyers give the average?

Assault on a Constable is maximum 6 months.

although that's incredibly crap :/ I'd have expected a much harsher scentance for assault on a officer.

like in America shoot/attack an officer and you're going away for a very long time.

 

[Luke]

I've called the police on my brother before. He was drunk, violent and trying to kick the crap out of his girlfriend. When I (literally) threw him out of the front door he proceeded to try and kick his way back in. At that point I called the police.

He used the pathetic excuse that he had no recollection of it the following day.

Just because they are family (close friends) doesn't mean they can act like animals with no fear of involvement from the police.

 

[NVP]

ill just answer this one question because i dont want to answer to you anymore because my actions were very good! yet i say it again and i dont want to say it again and again, so...i say it again, if the police did not turn up he would have been trying to knock down my door with my grandparents in there, end of the convo tbh.


and these actions didnt exasperate things, its been about 6 months, no one down here has heard from him since that incident.




yep, understood, but this incident wasnt drug related though.

and you should agree, some people dont want help and want to be left alone.

hes just on cannabis, not hard drugs.

Cannabis can effect the mind so much that you think everyone is out against you, you needed to explain to this "friend" that you are his friend and are not out to get him, it is just the paranoia (sp?!) effects of the drug that makes him think this. A lot of my friends from school still use cannabis daily and they have learned to live with its effects by not letting the drugs "control" them and thinking every thought through thoroughly... although some people are experience stronger mental effects due to an already underlying mental health issue getting exagerated... I've kind of gone off topic and on a tangent here but my overall point is IF u want to help your friend, then talk to him and explain to him you concerns and support him through rehab, rather than pawning him off to the police and allowing the justice system to take away your troubles.

 

[Anksy]

nuvpal, my opinions are, you are wrong, only because i havnt got time to explain to you the whole story of the past 3 or 4 years, so im not going to try and change your opinion, we will agree to disagree bud, untill one day i might have time to tell you the full story and you will understand.

and firefox is screwing up.

 

[NVP]

nuvpal, my opinions are, you are wrong, only because i havnt got time to explain to you the whole story of the past 3 or 4 years, so im not going to try and change your opinion, we will agree to disagree bud, untill one day i might have time to tell you the full story and you will understand.

yeah no worries, I'm not trying to antagonise you or insult you, I just related to the post from experience and wanted to get across my point that addicts are still people too, and they require the help of friends and family to see them through rought times...

but yeah sure i understand i am no where near in full possetion of the facts and fully understand you are probably the best to judge the situation. but on the topic of helping an addict then yes we shall agree to dissagree.

(no offence intended from any of my posts, jus opinions)

 

[SeriousPigeon]

When a 'friend' pulls a knife on me, that's the exact moment they stop being my friend.

This.

I would call the police without hesitation if a "friend" pulled a knife on me and threatened to cut my throat.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

interesting, the police give maximums the press print minimums do lawyers give the average?

It's all we can give Tefal because it is such a lottery with the odds usually stacked against the victim.

although that's incredibly crap :/ I'd have expected a much harsher scentance for assault on a officer.

Not at all, certainly not for minor attacks on police officers. Not so long back a minor assault on a Pc was 6 months mandatory but it is rarely a custodial these days.

I rerember when I was first assaulted by being spat on. I received £20 in compensation from the defendant who was a very violent man. I tore up the cheque when I received it as he didn't have a job, relied on the state and the money was ultimately from the taxpayer. I felt better saving the taxpayer £20 believe it or not.