horses on the road

Too much horse hatred in this thread. You should expect to see them on small country lanes as that's where most people ride.

ac1d1ty said:
However I think it has to remembered that the roads are made for CAR/MOTORBIKE users.
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roads where made for horse carts to begin with. As people say car/motorbikes users are there by license. Horses, cycles have a god given right to be on roads.
 
The problem is that many cyclists and horseriders don't drive cars. Or if they do, they don't drive them very often and/or just aren't very good at it.

Once you understand what it is like on the otherside of the fence then you have the whole picture.

Sure, the same could be said that motorists should also know what it is like to ride a horse (I'm assuming 99% of motorists have surely rode a bike on the road at some point in their life!)... but really it's quite easy to imagine that it's just about 10x worse than being a cyclist.

When I'm out biking at weekends I do it with the same mindset as though I'm driving my car. I don't linger around in blind corners I speed up to get out of them as quick as possible. If a car is stuck behind me I move as far over as possible to make passing me as easy as possible. It's just simple things like that.
 
NathanE said:
The problem is that many cyclists and horseriders don't drive cars. Or if they do, they don't drive them very often and/or just aren't very good at it.
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What you on about, most are no different to any of us and drive just as much as we do. In fact more than some of us. As they drive around the country going to shows and driving to the yard almost daily.
 
AcidHell2 said:
What you on about, most are no different to any of us and drive just as much as we do. In fact more than some of us. As they drive around the country going to shows and driving to the yard almost daily.
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Never been to somewhere like London or Cambridge then? Cyclists jumping lights, joining roundabouts without giving way... it's ridiculous :D

Horse riders obviously aren't necessarily to the same extent as this...
 
NathanE said:
Never been to somewhere like London or Cambridge then? Cyclists jumping lights, joining roundabouts without giving way... it's ridiculous :D
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I live in Bristol and hate most bike riders. absolute scum, but only scum because police don't enforce the law :(.

Horse riders are very different to cyclists due to the cost. Horse riders love what they do. Cyclists only a small portion love their sport and do things correctly like having insurance.
 
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AcidHell2 said:
roads where made for horse carts to begin with. As people say car/motorbikes users are there by license. Horses, cycles have a god given right to be on roads.
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WHAT? That's ludicrous. Roads where made for armies, so STFU. Paths and muddy trails where made for horses and that's where they and cyclists should stay.

The only reason horse and carts used the first roads was because nobody had invented anything better, like the truck. That doesn't give them any 'God given' right to clog them up and **** all over them.
 
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Captain_Slick said:
WHAT? That's ludicrous. Roads where made for armies, so STFU. Paths and muddy trails where made for horses and that's where they and cyclists should stay.
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Heh made for armies? So were they made by the defending countries, so the invaders could traverse the countryside more easily, or were they made by the invading countries, so their soldiers could advance more easily, after they'd already advanced beyond that bit of land? :p

Given how few times we've been invaded in the last 1,000 years or so, I think it's fairly safe to say most roads here weren't built for armies ;)
Soldiers perhaps, but surely more so the Duke of This Bit Of Land Here could get to London?


Edit: Plus, the muddy paths have now turned into tarmacced roads.
 
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Captain_Slick said:
Roads where made for armies
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Well, the Taliban have certainly cottoned on to this for sure. I personally don't see what the issue is, replace "horse" with "broken down car" and you would have the same net result surely? Don't hoon around blind corners, simple as that.
 
NathanE said:
The problem is that many cyclists and horseriders don't drive cars.
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I think the main issue is that you have a lot of people that drive their vehicle or have their main mode of transport and can't see the road through someone else's eyes. Whether that's an inconsiderate tractor driver allowing traffic to pile up behind for miles, cyclists riding two abreast, car drives revving engines around horses etc... it mainy comes down to putting yourself into the other person's shoes and being considerate for others.
 
miniyazz said:
Heh made for armies? So were they made by the defending countries, so the invaders could traverse the countryside more easily, or were they made by the invading countries, so their soldiers could advance more easily, after they'd already advanced beyond that bit of land? :p

Given how few times we've been invaded in the last 1,000 years or so, I think it's fairly safe to say most roads here weren't built for armies ;)
Soldiers perhaps, but surely more so the Duke of This Bit Of Land Here could get to London?


Edit: Plus, the muddy paths have now turned into tarmacced roads.
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What? Did you never study the Roman Empire at school? Roads where one of the greatest things they developed throughout their empire so that their armies could travel further in less time compared to the muddy tracks they had before hand.

It's only afterwards that people started to use them for transporting goods and people with horses.

And regardless, if the Romans had invented the car at the same time, they'd had been using them to transport their royalty, not horses. Just because they lacked the technology to invent cars and were stuck with the horse doesn't mean that the horse has more of a right to use the road than the car.

The fact of the matter is these days the horse has no right and no need to use roads - other than as a bridleway. They are dangerous animals and shouldn't be used around anything or anyone that could startle them - horse riders who ride on roads for enjoyment are asking for an accident to happen as far as I'm concerned. And it's no use saying "Oh well drivers should show a little courtesy and slow down..." etc because maybe the horse rider should do the same in the first place and stick to the field where the animal belongs, so that they don't create these problems in the first place.
 
Captain_Slick said:
Just because they lacked the technology to invent cars and were stuck with the horse doesn't mean that the horse has more of a right to use the road than the car.
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You seem to be missing the point. motor vehicles you have to be licensed and taxed. Horses, bikes walkers need no such license.

Of course there is a need for hoses on t road, how do you think they get between areas. For example between the yard and some placed laced with briddleways.

You are totally ignorant of other road users. Luckily the LAW does not agree with your narrow mind.
 
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AcidHell2 said:
You seem to be missing the point. motor vehicles you have to be licensed and taxed. Horses, bikes walkers need no such license.
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No, you're missing the point.

All you're saying is that basically horses, bikes and walkers are jumping the barrier to watch the film that all us drivers have bought tickets for.

Shirley.

P.S. Horses, cyclists and walkers are not road users. They're hazards. And I'm well aware that the law doesn't agree with me... and I don't agree with it.
 
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It's a bit annoying when there's a massive dump from a horse on the road, as you have to drive around it else your car will smell of horse ****.
 
Captain_Slick said:
No, you're missing the point.

All you're saying is that basically horses, bikes and walkers are jumping the barrier to watch the film that all us drivers have bought tickets for.

Shirley.

P.S. Horses, cyclists and walkers are not road users. They're hazards.
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How are tehy jumping the barrier. Jumping the barrier is illegal. Using cycles, horses or walking on the road is not.

Horses, cycles, walkers are most certainly road users. They are as much as a hazard as a car or motorbike. Everything is a hazard. Anticipation and respect is what is needed.
 
Whether horses should be in the road or not is debatable. But from the OP it sounds as though the driver went around a blind corner carrying too much speed. He's absolutely in the wrong, and you can hardly defend him for that.
 
p4radox said:
Whether horses should be in the road or not is debatable. But from the OP it sounds as though the driver went around a blind corner carrying too much speed. He's absolutely in the wrong, and you can hardly defend him for that.
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How fast was the driver going?
 
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