RX8 Running Costs

[The Running Man]

that the RX-8 laps only 0.2 slower than a Honda NSX makes no difference to fox apparently, because no-one can prove that a car with a lower output than a 350z, NSX, M3, 535 must handle better around the same circuit to have the same, or extremely similar laptime...

i think its pretty conclusive tbh.

the RX may have more kit (anecdote), but it still weighs less (fact) and it does outhandle a base 3 series, unless Fox is now saying that the 330 is actually as fast as an M3 around a circuit?

 

[[TW]Fox]

Are we seriously judging car performance based on the Top Gear Test Track?

If so, great!

BMW M3 CSL 1:28.00
BMW Z4 1:28.02

Look how rubbish the CSL is a Z4 is as quick!

Audi TT 2.0TFSI 1.31.4
RX8 1.31.8
BMW 535d 1.31.8

Look, a TT owns an RX8!!! And an RX8 is no faster than a diesel BMW saloon!

M3 1.31.8

And an M3!

BMW 130i 1.31.9

Look the 1 Series is super M3 fast!

Lotus Elise 1.35.6
Ford Mondeo ST220 1.34.5

Lotus suxor, Mondeo owns it! Much faster car.

Aston Martin Vanquish S 1.27.1
Aston Martin Vanquish 1.36.2

Look what you can do if you add an S and a few more horsepower!

This thread gets more and more retarded.

Are you saying the RX8 is as quick as an M3 now?

And where did 'base 3 series' come from, I have no issues with the fact an RX8 is better than a 316i ES

 

[Vigoro]

had a look on a laptimes site, and around bedford wesr the rx8 is 1.3 seconds faster than an e46 330ci, but is about 3 seconds slower than a 350z.......

 

[[TW]Fox]

had a look on a laptimes site, and around bedford wesr the rx8 is 1.3 seconds faster than an e46 330ci

Exactly. All my point has ever been is that like it or not, they are similar cars aimed at the same sort of people and do the same sort of job. In my OPINION, the 330Ci is better, but given that they are so similar (Im not posting the wheelbase, drivetrain stats and sizes again, come on guys, accept it, both are posh Coupes with leather seats) why not look at one. I'd even chuck the Audi TT and the Nissan 350Z in as rivals, but the Mk1 TT falls far short on handling and the 350Z is out of budget. The reason I came up with 330Ci is that due to the way the RX8 has depreciated only the 330Ci is comparable on price and even then only because older ones exist.

He might prefer the RX8, and buy it. Yay! He might prefer the 330Ci, and buy it. Yay!

But no, lets have a 3 page fight because it's Fox and he's talking about BMW's

At least we''ve cleared up the fact the RX8 is not a Lotus Elise, its actually better handling than an Elise because it pwnzors it around the Top gear Test Track!

 

[DrDee]

The RX8 has no kit apparently because its an Elise! Or something, whereas the 330 is a luxury car, so obviously it must have more kit.

Actually, its fairly nice inside as well. It was definitely Jap tastic compared to the BMW but it was fairly funky as well, and had all the toys IIRC. They are both fairly luxurious compared to an Elise, however the RX8 handles exceptionally well as well, the BMW does not in comparison (as you have conceded) but makes up for it in other areas, it depends what is important for the prospective owners.

 

[[TW]Fox]

I have no choice but to concede, especially when presented with yourself who has driven an RX8 and a 330Ci Sport, back to back, to draw comparisons (After all, a quick round the block of your mates car followed by an RX8 drive a year or so later wouldnt allow such comparisons I'm assuming thats not what you did ). I've only driven the 330Ci, so I can't compare. I do feel I can tell the difference between a good and a bad handling car though, and the 330Ci sport definately handled well to me.

But not as nicely as the Clio 182

 

[The Running Man]

Lotus Elise 1.35.6
Ford Mondeo ST220 1.34.5

Lotus suxor, Mondeo owns it! Much faster car.

well done, you compared a (wet) laptime for the lotus to a non wet laptime. its a good job you are approaching this objectively:/

the sport 190 does a 1.28xx

not that your bothered obviously because that contradicts whatever it is that you are trying to prove.

 

[[TW]Fox]

The TG website makes no differentiation between wet and non wet. Nice to see you ignored all the other ones I pointed out though.

Using the TG Test Track lap times to decide which car is faster is ridiculous.

Unless you think your beloved RX8 (I take it you own one? If not, what do you own?) is only as quick and well handling as a 4 door diesel powered BMW saloon car, obviously, because thats what the TG test track says!

 

[Vigoro]

well done, you compared a (wet) laptime for the lotus to a non wet laptime. its a good job you are approaching this objectively:/

Cant you see though, the top gear track is rubbish for comparison?

In effect it is a figure 8 track

 

[[TW]Fox]

Interestingly a dealer near where I am going next month has..

2006 06 Reg MAZDA RX8 Evolve (231)

I assume this is a super amazing uber cool RX8? I think I'll take it for a drive.

 

[Sime]

Ive been looking at all the cars disgussed and my input is this...

330Ci is for you if you want a more powerful luxury sports coupe. It looks more generic and common but still has a certain masculine shape to it (epecially with the sports front bumper) The interior is more refined and spacious with that BMW solidness.

RX8 is for you if you want a more unique, nimble and revvy sports coupe. The looks are a lot more eye catching with some snazzy interior features (two tone leather / steering wheel and flippy SATNAV) Something else I felt with the RX8 is the way that everything surrounds you and you feel extremely "snug" when driving it.

I have my pros and cons about both of them depending on how you feel you want to drive at the time. The RX8 is brilliant if your in the mood to trash it and know the car loves it! The 330 is all about the raw power thats pulling you along but still keeping you in comfort.

Again ive only test drove them and not had them to own so the fuel / oil / service etc. are something that i cant say personally...

My choice would simply come down to the deal I could get at the time. I really like both of them so if I got get an RX8 with all the kit for a MORE than decent price I would have no problem going with that. Same goes with the 330.

 

[[TW]Fox]

I really like both of them so if I got get an RX8 with all the kit for a MORE than decent price I would have no problem going with that. Same goes with the 330.

You are obviously wrong. This is what I thought, but apparently not - they are COMPLETELY different cars and are SIGNIFICANTLY different, apparently.

 

[Sime]

Should I add that after driving both of them, im going to buy an ST220?

 

[DrDee]

You are obviously wrong. This is what I thought, but apparently not - they are COMPLETELY different cars and are SIGNIFICANTLY different, apparently.

When it comes to handling they are very different yes.

In the same way an M3 handles differently to a 318i, only even more so OH WAIT HOW CAN THIS BE ON PAPER THEY ARE THE SAME SIZE AND WHEELBASE LENGTH AND HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

 

[The Running Man]

The TG website makes no differentiation between wet and non wet. Nice to see you ignored all the other ones I pointed out though.

Using the TG Test Track lap times to decide which car is faster is ridiculous.

Unless you think your beloved RX8 (I take it you own one? If not, what do you own?) is only as quick and well handling as a 4 door diesel powered BMW saloon car, obviously, because thats what the TG test track says!

try the wikipedia TG power laps page, it gives details if it was wet etc.

but still, im not trying to prove which is faster, im trying to show that on a twisty track the RX8 can match reknown well handling cars which ALSO have more bhp. that the RX8 is as fast as a 350z on this circuit to me indicates that it must handle well, as it is neither out powering, or outdoing the bhp.ton against its competitors. Can you explain this phenomenon logically if the RX-8 does not handle well?

being objective...

no i dont own one, but i do like them. i am not bias towards one or the other through ownership, like some people appear in this thread...

so are you going to tell me that the bhp/ton is favourable to the RX-8 compared to a 535d? the 535 engine is renown to be powerful? faster than an M3 or even 5? or so i hear (anecdotally) in a straight line?

i own a Corolla

i am the impartial 3rd party.

 

[[TW]Fox]

In the same way an M3 handles differently to a 318i, only even more so OH WAIT HOW CAN THIS BE ON PAPER THEY ARE THE SAME SIZE AND WHEELBASE LENGTH AND HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Please stop being deliberately obtuse. The wheelbase/size/weight/power stuff was not to 'prove' the handling (As you cannot prove handling with numbers) but to illustrate that they are the same type of car.

 

[DrDee]

Please stop being deliberately obtuse. The wheelbase/size/weight/power stuff was not to 'prove' the handling (As you cannot prove handling with numbers) but to illustrate that they are the same type of car.

I never said they were not the same type of car, my only point in this thread is that one handles exceptionally well, and the other doesn't. That was the only thing I took issue with as it was so blatantly false when you claimed the BMW handled better.

 

[[TW]Fox]

no i dont own one, but i do like them. i am not bias towards one or the other through ownership, like some people appear in this thread...

I own neither an E46 330Ci Sport nor a Mazda RX8 and will likely never own either, so not entirely sure on your point there. If it was about being biased around ownership surely I'd be banging about how 530z win for teh r0x0rs.

so are you going to tell me that the bhp/ton is favourable to the RX-8 compared to a 535d? the 535 engine is renown to be powerful? faster than an M3 or even 5? or so i hear (anecdotally) in a straight line?

It's nowhere near an M3 or an M5 in a straight line. 0-60 in a 535d takes more than 6 seconds, for example. It has an automatic gearbox and weighs 1700kgish which discounts the power advantage.

But the TG test track!!! Its a supercar!! etc.

i own a Corolla

i am the impartial 3rd party.

I'd probably have more faith in accepting opinions on handling from somebody who hadn't themselves chosen one of the worst cars of its type

 

[[TW]Fox]

I never said they were not the same type of car, my only point in this thread is that one handles exceptionally well, and the other doesn't. That was the only thing I took issue with as it was so blatantly false when you claimed the BMW handled better.

'Blatantly false'?

I'll leave you with a quote from Housey a few weeks back:

"When trying to define great handling, it is up to the individual whether it is present or not"

Handling is subjective, therefore an opinion on handling cannot be 'blatantly false'. Misguided? Perhaps. Blatantly false? Not really, no.

 

[DrDee]

Fox, I do think you are a tad biased what with owning a non M BMW with the word sport tagged on, and what with me calling non BMW M cars not sporty compared to genuine sporty cars.