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Nvidea gtx300 series

Some more ramblings about the GT300 http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/08/13/gt300-have-nvio-chip/

Apparently it will be big and expensive, wow breaking news indeed! :D

Lol, the guy sounds like a complete ATI fanboy lol besides the point that he obviously doesn't like NVIDIA, when have NVIDIA cards not been big and expensive, and when have the ever be 2x the performance of the ATI cards? They are usually about 10-20% better, no one is expecting a 50-100% performance increase, they never have, so what he is saying, technically, is a load of **** ;).
 
Not being that much into it i don't know myself but are his figures for wafer cost correct and if they are then isn't what he is saying like the site semiaccurate at this time. Yes there seems to be a lot of cynicism about nvidia in that article but given how nvidia talk and act lately is that any real surprise. Before i label someone as an ati fanboy i would like a bit more then just some nvidia bashing because if thats the benchmark for fanboyism there are a hell of a lot of people that are suddenly ati fanboys including a lot of people that have been very green team niased in the past.
 
Not being that much into it i don't know myself but are his figures for wafer cost correct and if they are then isn't what he is saying like the site semiaccurate at this time. Yes there seems to be a lot of cynicism about nvidia in that article but given how nvidia talk and act lately is that any real surprise. Before i label someone as an ati fanboy i would like a bit more then just some nvidia bashing because if thats the benchmark for fanboyism there are a hell of a lot of people that are suddenly ati fanboys including a lot of people that have been very green team niased in the past.

I agree with what you're are saying, but that isn't exactly the reason I said he sounds like a fan boy.

It is because not only does he put NVIDIA down, but he does it again, and again. And THEN tells us how wonderful AMD are lol THAT'S why ;)

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I like to take sources that post facts, and DON'T put in their own opinion, because the second they do that it proves they are sided, which also means that their 'facts' are quite possibly sided.

And also... for example:

"and.... and.... and Nvidia must be sitting on the warehouse full of parts for some conspiracy laden reason. Heh heh, no cookie, tell mommy I said so."

Is this guy a tech reporter or a lonely kid sitting in his room ? Doesn't exactly sound very 'professional' for someone talking about 'big' things which are related to multi million dollar companies.
 
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Yeah i agree some of his comments were less then professional but right now there seems to be little good will from anyone towards nvidia and that is purely nvidias doing with some of the stunts they have pulled. But as i said his base facts about the gt3xx series are dependent on those wafer costs so are they accurate because if they are then surely he might be correct about what he says.
 
nVidia plans GT300 demos for late September

After hearing from multiple sources spanning on several continents, we can be fairly certain that the samples of nVidia's first DirectX 11 GPU are going to depart from engineering labs. Just like GT200, GT300 spent several months in the Labs while the drivers were being created.

Given that today's GeForce drivers contain more code than Windows XP core, we aren't surprised that nVidia is taking time to get the product ready for market. Just like some media were suggesting that GT200 taped out in March 2008 [while some developers got the GT200 cards as early as three months before that tape out story], GT300 needs time [and human resources] to finish the development. GT300 is the base graphics architecture not just for the standard desktop or notebook graphics, but also as a future graphics base for the Tegra generation of products. And with recent rumors of nVidia implementing ECC feature into the GPU [which is a given, since GDDR5 comes with ECC], Tesla parts should be quite interesting as well.

But now, we have received words that AIBs are getting time frames forthe demonstrations to their own partners and press, with the firstevents happening in September. The dates are obviously planned to bluntthe katana-sharp market attack from ATI's Radeon 5000 series.

On nVidia's annual gathering of add-in-board manufacturers [happened a while ago], a lot of harsh words were spoken due to renaming policies, OEM positioning and more importantly, how to combat resurgent ATI - it was stated that a lot is expected from the NV70 e.g. GT300 generation.

Now, the only question is how long it will take for nVidia's demo team and software vendors to create traditional launch demos. ATI dropped the practice with the Radeon 4000 series, showing raytraced Ruby in its Cinema 2.0 event, but the demo didn't became available to general public. All in all, computer graphics arena is never boring.
 
Nvidia new GF 300GTX still stick by Q4/2009 but yes it may on the shelf from begin of 2010 -- it take time to stock after shipping from Nvidia, the cost of this card I would thin between £650 to £950 --- ATi showed off new card cost much more that too expensive.

bot ATI and Nvidia new card will run DX11 (only under Vista SP1/SP2 and W7)

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Same here. Are all the DX11 cards going to be super-high end? Or will there be cheaper varieties, too?

It wouldn't make sense for them to be only high-end cards. There are undoubtedly going to be DX11 laptops with low-end GPUs in it for release around the end of the year I'd expect.

They'll want to have a complete card line-up. They always introduce low-end new DX hardware.
 
Nvidia renames 2xx parts to 3xx

Worked well last time, consumers are sheep
by Charlie Demerjian

August 28, 2009

NVIDIA IS DOING what it knows how to do best once again - not making chips, but renaming old parts into the new 'GT300' series. Yes, it is funny, but there is a good reason for the renaming.

As you might be aware, Nvidia is the master of screwing consumers by renaming old cards to sound like they are new. The problem is that there were basically no derivatives for the G200 chip, the half and quarter variants simply never materialized on the desktop. For the past year, Nvidia has not been able to get a chip out the door to save its life.

The GT212/214/216/218 going to GT214/216/218 then on to GT215/216/218 saga of 2009 is emblematic of its failures, and the lack of consumer versions just makes things sadder. Because of these failures, the G92, also known as the 8800GT/9800GT, was renamed the GT250. It was a good chip - so good in fact that it spanned three generations of marketing.

Couple that with the fact that Nvidia could not make the 21x parts to save its bottom line, and it had to try and snow consumers. So it did. Then it had to keep reviewers who were not afraid of it in the dark, so it did. That sure went over well. Now that every reviewer had their eyes opened, what does Nvidia do? Clean up its act? Behave like a responsible corporate citizen? Heck no, our moles tell us that merely suggesting such things is a firing offense in Santa Clara. Once more, instead of making new chips, it is renaming parts again.

Yes, the parts in the G3xx series that do not end in 00 are missing in action, so Nvidia is going to make some up. But how do you do that and snow an already clued-in set of reviewers? Easy enough, you... wait for it, make the cards slower! Yes, slower. Don't ask me how the big thinkers in Nvidia product planning remember to breathe. If they use the same mental pathways for basic bodily functions as they do to 'make' 'new' parts, they would have died long ago.

Back to the 'technical' side of the 'new' chips. If you take an old 2xx series part that uses GDDR5 and hamstring it by using only GDDR3, you are now eligible to call it a 3-series part! Wow, genius! Please don't email me and ask why it makes sense, there is no sense at all in this.

Pair this with the fact that Nvidia partners are reporting shortages of 2xx chips, and you have all the makings for hilarity. No parts, but if you make them slower, you can call them new, and pretend they are faster, even if you can't ship them to your customers. Words don't often fail me, but this time they do.

What does this mean? Two things. First, Nvidia's product planners utterly botched their planning. Orders for 2xx wafers were not put in, or more likely they thought that yields would magically improve, but now there are not enough parts to go around. Hint to the engineers at Nvidia - ATI did its homework, and can actually make parts with decent yields. Nvidia 'opened a can of whoop-ass', and now it can't seem to make a broken wafer when given a wafer, a hammer, and an instructional video.

More importantly, this says that the follow up parts to the GT300 are not imminent. Very not imminent. If they are feasible at all now.

Something is badly wrong at Nvidia central. It simply can't make parts that work. While there are signs of that the repeated cluetrain impacts are sinking in, there are still huge gaps remaining. Q4 2009 is lost to Nvidia, Q1 2010 seems to be as well, and there is little hope on the horizon. Funny as it is to watch Nvidia's bluster turn to ashes, if it doesn't pick up its game very soon, the company may implode.

An example,

In 186.42:

NVIDIA_DEV.0CAF.01 = "NVIDIA N11P-GS1" the N11P is GT216

In 186.82:

NVIDIA_DEV.0CAF.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 335M"
 
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What does t mean, exactly (if it's true)? The same hardware is taking on a new name? That's not very nice... Although didn't they do a similar thing with the GTS 250? And Intel are doing the same thing with Core i3.
 
What does t mean, exactly (if it's true)? The same hardware is taking on a new name? That's not very nice... Although didn't they do a similar thing with the GTS 250? And Intel are doing the same thing with Core i3.

While what intel is doing is somewhat similar, they're not actually trying to hide it, nor are they going to pretend that this is some sort of new technology that is faster than the previous gen.

nVidia did the same with the 8800GT. The G92 GPU was reused as an 8800GTS, 9800GT, 9800GTX, 9800GTX+, GTS250 as well as the GTX260M and GTX280M and now it looks like it's going to be a part of the GTS300 series.
 
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v186.42:
NVIDIA_DEV.0A20.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 220"
NVIDIA_DEV.0A28.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 230M"
NVIDIA_DEV.0A29.01 = "NVIDIA N11P-GE1"
NVIDIA_DEV.0A2A.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 230M "
NVIDIA_DEV.0A2B.01 = "NVIDIA N11P-LP1"
NVIDIA_DEV.0CAF.01 = "NVIDIA N11P-GS1"
NVIDIA_DEV.0CB1.01 = "NVIDIA N11E-GS1"
NVIDIA_DEV.0CBC.01 = "NVIDIA N10P-GLM4"


v186.82:
NVIDIA_DEV.0CAF.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 335M"
NVIDIA_DEV.0CB0.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTS 350M"
NVIDIA_DEV.0CB1.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTS 360M"
NVIDIA_DEV.0A29.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M"
NVIDIA_DEV.0A2B.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M "
 
If they make them into mobile GPUs whats the big deal ?
If we get laptops capable of delivering the graphics of desktops today ill be more than pleased.
 
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