That snuck up on me - Bulbs

Energy saving bulbs are no match for 100W or 150W bulbs, because technology implementation is at the moment horribly unregulated and final product quality uneven. Not only the supposed equivalents to 100W bulbs don't fit properly, they also don't shine as bright and don't give the same shade of light. Delayed ignition is still an issue, and what's worse, because of the ignition process, it can cause problems in older installations. My mum has 6x40W halogens in her kitchen. After replacing all six bulbs with energy saving equivalents one or two of them in a chain will simply not fire up. That initial spike required to start them all up exceeds what's available to the light circut. My mum hates the pale, office light they give, she hates that she has to remove one bulb for the rest to work, she hates the thought something might be overloading somewhere if she needs extra light with few appliances turned on on the same fuse.

So what's the alternative then - those who would like to remain in 21st century and have bright apartments need to use 300W halogen rods now?
 
Energy saving bulbs have improved considerably in quality. The slightly higher priced non-cheapo ones don't tend to have the same issue as the old ones did with taking a while to get to full illumination (certainly in my experience). I have gradually replaced my bulbs with energy saving ones as they have gone.

My main problem is getting ones to fit my living room light fittings. I have finally managed to find a manufacturer that makes slim semi spiral sbc bulb that will fit my table lamp (energy saving candle blubs are substantially wider then normal candle bulbs). However, they aren't dimmable so either I will have to replace my dimmer switch to change to energy saving bulbs or hoard standard candle bulbs for my main ceiling light. Even then it's hard to find them anywhere, I have only found one shop locally that had any in (and then they only had one and never got more back in stock). I have managed to find them online but they are selling them in packs of 10 (which works out around £35).
 
You can get 5 for 49p at the moment from Wickes. 100W/75W/60W/40W Phillips ones available in both screw and bayonet fittings. Was so shuffed I picked up 10 ! Cheap 100W ones especially in screw fitting are quite rare.
 
Older style bulbs have been getting harder to find for a while. Stories were in the newspapers months ago how people were going into shops and stocking up. People were literally clearing shelves and buying them by the hundred.
 
the whole energy saving bulb thing is a scam IMO

forces people to buy bulbs that make a lot more profit for the manufacturers... though they are long life, they often still blow.

ive not had a single energy saver than hasnt lasted at least 4 years. Id say for the £10 or so the bulbs cost, thats brilliant VFM to be honest.
 
Not overly fussed to be honest... it's a light bulb!

If it will shut all of the green eco warrior's up, then I'm for it.
 
Most of the energy saving bulbs we have are decent quality and are at least equivalent to a 60w bulb straight away (then they get a bit brighter after a little while).
We also have a 20w daylight simulation bulb in the landing light and it's much brighter than the 100w we replaced with it.. so energy saving bulbs aren't that bad.

Also I think one thing people don't realise is that incandescent bulbs aren't banned; just regular tungsten ones.
 
My mum hates the pale, office light they give, she hates that she has to remove one bulb for the rest to work, she hates the thought something might be overloading somewhere if she needs extra light with few appliances turned on on the same fuse.

Sockets will be on a different circuit and thus different (and higher rated) fuse to lighting so no problem there.
 
We got a pack of 6 Phillips ones free, they do an ok job but aren't as good as the 100w clear ones they replaced.

Do they make energy saving bulbs to replace the smaller screw-in 'golf ball' bulbs?
 
I like the old style bulbs but I've been using a Phillips energy saver and compared the light output to the old style bulb 60w and tbh I didn't notice much different light output at all. They sometimes take a few seconds to fire up but I paid 10p per bulb :D
 
When we went to sell our house, you had to have at least 'X' amount of energy saving light bulbs in your home....It's some new thing that came about a few back or something apparently.

I do not see this as being a problem, it's the only way they can do it without making it some specified law or something....Change the stock, then that is what people WILL have to buy eventually.

So hey.
 
Do you think you will still be able to buy them for 'specialist use' ?

I'm okay with having energy saving bulbs in my house, my room and so on as long as they are good quality and give out good light. But I've tried them in the lamps in my workshop and they just don't compare.

There are some situations where an incandescent light bulb simply cannot be replaced. I hope they don’t stop their use out-right. It would make a little money spinner for some companies though, selling the old bulbs for specialist use (if there is a suitable loop-hole)

I agree with what some people here have said too, a lot of people think that energy savers are so bad because they have either been given the really poor ones for free by British gas, supermarkets and so on. Giving away free energy savers seems to have done more harm than good.
 
Do you think you will still be able to buy them for 'specialist use' ?

I'm okay with having energy saving bulbs in my house, my room and so on as long as they are good quality and give out good light. But I've tried them in the lamps in my workshop and they just don't compare.

There are some situations where an incandescent light bulb simply cannot be replaced. I hope they don’t stop their use out-right. It would make a little money spinner for some companies though, selling the old bulbs for specialist use (if there is a suitable loop-hole)

I agree with what some people here have said too, a lot of people think that energy savers are so bad because they have either been given the really poor ones for free by British gas, supermarkets and so on. Giving away free energy savers seems to have done more harm than good.

It's pretty much ruined everyones expectations I must say :p

We had some put on our landing.....the light may as well be off.

I see your point though, what about in big factories? Are they going to develop big energy saving bulbs for things like that?
 
I see your point though, what about in big factories? Are they going to develop big energy saving bulbs for things like that?

They have existed for decades, companies are far too smart to waste money on incandescents.

NO HOTLINKING
 
^ I feel like that a bit, industry is just so large. I have 5 100 watt bulbs in my livingroom chandelier and its a bit too bright tbh but I rarely use it. Got them about a month ago.

I don't mind the energy saving ones I use them in lamps, they would look stupid in a chandelier in their current form afaik.
 
Do you think you will still be able to buy them for 'specialist use' ?

I'm okay with having energy saving bulbs in my house, my room and so on as long as they are good quality and give out good light. But I've tried them in the lamps in my workshop and they just don't compare.

There are some situations where an incandescent light bulb simply cannot be replaced. I hope they don’t stop their use out-right. It would make a little money spinner for some companies though, selling the old bulbs for specialist use (if there is a suitable loop-hole)

I agree with what some people here have said too, a lot of people think that energy savers are so bad because they have either been given the really poor ones for free by British gas, supermarkets and so on. Giving away free energy savers seems to have done more harm than good.

IIRC the legislation allows for specialist lights, as it's recognised that for various applications (such as cooker lights, and photographic/film work etc) the current crop of low energy lights don't do the job.
However it might be worth stocking up on your current favourite lights as i've no idea exactly what ones will be exempt.

I agree fully with your conclusion about the free low energy bulbs the likes of BG have given away.
We've got dozens of them spare at the moment (both parents are retired, and we've been getting them through the post for years), some of them are pretty dire, the newer ones seem much better though, although I've yet to find one my mum likes in her bedroom.

Same with the lighting i've got in my room at the moment, I swapped out the R50's (which never lasted more than a few weeks before dying, usually tripping the lighting fuse*) with Ikea low energy ones.
The Ikea ones were cheap but they are pretty awful in terms of reaching full brightness (although as they've aged they seem to have got better at warming up quickly), I tried a couple of different ones in other fittings and found a newer one that works much better - but costs about £7 a bulb (which I'm not going to spend at the moment:p as I'd need about 9 of them).
The main advantage for me with the low energy bulbs tends to be that they last a long time :)


Delvis, most offices and factories have been using tube lighting for decades as it's cheaper to run, longer lasting and easier to maintain than incandescents (I think modern ones tend to be B rated compared to the small flourecent energy saving ones that tend to be A/B, or incandescents which are normally something like G).
We've been using them in our garage and kitchen for 20 odd years for much the same reasons (and because in the kitchen a single 5 foot tube gives much better overall light than any single/pair of normal fittings we've tried/seen).
I just picked up a couple of daylight tubes for our garage to put up in one corner for model work.



*And if they were Homebase branded ones about a 25% chance of shattering when they died (not fun trying to get out of the room, barefoot in the dark, whilst avoiding sharp bits of glass).
 
I think I'll go and buy all the stock from Asda and Tesco in my town and then wait till all the stocks are running out and sell mine for £10 each :D
 
My parents have some beautiful 1960's lightfittings that will not take newer style bulbs as the shades are shaped to take an old fashioned clear candle style bulb. I don't know what my Mum will do when I tell her - she'll have coniptions
 
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