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Erm... go and watch the race again? They were 5 seconds quicker than the cars they were around, passing them for fun, and 2 seconds quicker than Button!
Spa-Francorchamps - BELGIUM Grand Prix 2009 - Race 12/17
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Because the tyres were in good condition/correct for the conditions - that was the difference, not because of the Aero/general car speed. Its all conjuncture anyway, you cant say either way.
Wet racing is made so much easier when you're first. You don't have to contend with as much spray for one. But really the main reason is that you just get into this total concentration zone like what happened to Hamilton at Silverstone 2008. Everything just came together for him. His car was working great and he was at one with it. It's the sort of race of perfection he will probably never repeat in his career. But it's also the sort of race that gets remembered for decades and it will forever label him as a "rain master". It's like an Xbox "Achievement" but nothing more. Though people remember it.
I think you’re completely wrong about all of these:
1. Monaco 2008:Lewis touched the barrier and had a deflated tire, thus going to the pits and adding extra fuel and a new set of the same intermediate tires, however at one point he had over a 40 + second lead, you simply cannot call that a fluke.
2.Silverstone 2008: Didn’t put a foot wrong.
3.Monza 2008: Qualified 15th finished 7th but was fighting through the field and could have even come in the top 3 if he hadn’t put extreme wets on at his final pit then a few laps after requiring inters after the lack of rain. Compare this to Massa who qualified 6th and finished 6th.
4.China 2009: shot tires and lack of downforce meant he spun then his team mate who was going a lot slower for the whole race overtook him.
Now I’m not doubting Schumacher as a wet weather driving but remember half the races he would have had TC to help keep him on the track.
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How is this relevant here ?
because people were discussing how longer wheelbase cars are 'better' in the wet, being less pointy in they're handling.
maybe?
its ONE RACE he hasnt matched Rubens in thats the whole point - when you look at how ALL teams are now very competitive in quali, thats why JB is being penalised (last week) from a tiny mistake on his final run, where any other year it wouldnt have made any difference at all (baring in mind that there is nearly always a lot greater spread in times over the last few years until the last two races)
Brawn had an awful car for three races in a row, due to the temps according to them - and its really only the last race where Rubens did a lot better, otherwise it was VERY even since Jenson's last win
OK then.
Honestly I think it'll be a bit more boring thaan this year too, but more because most teams will be more level with each other...
People get to caught up in whose the best wet driver. The only way you can compare is when they qualify and race in the wet from the start. Otherwise your getting lucky that your dry set up works better than the rest when the rain starts to come down.
Schumacher shone in races where he could throw caution to the wind and start with a wetter set up than his rivals who where battling for a title. Plus theres always a wet weather benefit when your ECU software is questionable.
The real wet weather masters for me are the ones that hold the pace for longer on the wrong tyre like senna and alesi used to be able to do. Stay out on the slick when those around them pitted.
Hopefully it will pour down today and the race will be abandoned after 3 laps and we can have a technical draw like in the cricket to save jenson some points
I guarantee webber wont be walking up and down the grid then telling everyone it's to dangerous.
Schumacher shone in races where he could throw caution to the wind and start with a wetter set up than his rivals who where battling for a title. Plus theres always a wet weather benefit when your ECU software is questionable.
The real wet weather masters for me are the ones that hold the pace for longer on the wrong tyre like senna and alesi used to be able to do. Stay out on the slick when those around them pitted.
Hopefully it will pour down today and the race will be abandoned after 3 laps and we can have a technical draw like in the cricket to save jenson some points
I guarantee webber wont be walking up and down the grid then telling everyone it's to dangerous.
Sorry man, but the writing has been on the wall for the last 3 races now, where Barrichello has been outperforming Button. Belgium is the 4th race in a row.
Saying that, I still feel that Button deserves to win the title, given that he won an astonishing 6 out of 7 races. I don't rate Button highly, but any driver who can win 6 out of 7, must've been in top form during that period and deserves something out of the season.
Perhaps Button should spend less time going on holidays and more time in the simulator.
Unfortunatley for Button, it would appear that his form has dipped, but with an 18pt lead, he remains the favourite for the WDC.
For me, the big dissapointment was the McLaren's poor show. They were so strong in the last 2 races and then in Belgium, which is a drivers' circuit, they are nowhere.
What the hell is going on this season?
I was never impressed by Alesi's wet performances. The commenators used to say he was good in the wet, yet whenever he went up in the wet against MS, MS used to make Alesi look slow.
Senna is the best wet weather driver I've seen in my lifetime.
Erm. MS would've had TC, but then so would all the other drivers he was competing againt. They all got hammered by MS in the wet.
What MS showed was that whatever equipment he was given, he could dominate in. Driver aids, no driver aids, etc, he was the driver who dominated for the longest period of time, which is what netted hm pretty much all the records.
Can someone remind when exactly has Button done well in the wet?
I know that he won a single race in damp conditions, when Alonso's car broke down, ahead of Button; but other than that, I've never seen him do anything special in wet races. The other wet race he did well in was earlier this year. Thats 2 races.
I genuinely would like to know the answer to this question.
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No sign of rain at all on the forecasts so far -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/5005?count=10
http://www.myweather2.com/Motor-Racing/Germany/Spa-Francorchamps-Circuit.aspx
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/8/9819.html
edit: great timing knip
http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/5005?count=10
http://www.myweather2.com/Motor-Racing/Germany/Spa-Francorchamps-Circuit.aspx
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/8/9819.html
edit: great timing knip
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Depends on how you define "done well". Take Indy 2003 - a wet/dry race, he led for a while and would have finished 2nd behind Schumacher had his engine not grenaded itself. So no finish, no points, but by some measures he could be said to have done well.
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Weather is currently sunny for the GP2 race, but knowing Spa that can change quickly.
Wouldn't internet arguments be so much easier if you could just make things up like this?
German: Button 5th to Rubens 6th (despite qualifying behind him). 1-0 to Button
Hungarian: Button 7th to Rubens 10th. 2-0 to Button
European: Button 7th to Rubens 1st. 2-1
Gosh, look at how Rubens has hammered Button into the ground by beating him in one out of the last three races.
(To be fair, Rubens did beat Button at the British, so they're pretty even over the last few races)
Again prove he hasn't. Again prove he has less time than Rubens or anyone else. Rubens after all has been in brazil. How exactly would playing a sim help his balance problems?
Agreed the difference is when your running them and the rest of the grid are not.
Hope so!