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Nvidia Roadmaps Turn Up

Even if ATI refresh their cards, DX11 won't truley kick in until games start using it. We will still be looking at DX9/10 performance. Could Nvidia improve in DX9/10 performance but sit back until 4xx for their DX11 card. Is the 3xx definatly gonna be DX11?

I think it's pretty much definite that the GT300 will be DX11. I think they'd be stupid not to include it, especially after missing DX10.1 as well. DX10.1 was only a small improvement, but if a game comes out with DX11 and only ATI can utilize it, I can see a big loss for nvidia.
 
No developer in there right mind is going to take that and run with it.

-Nvidia-
"Right Guys, remember all that DX10 is a waste time now because we think ATI can do it better talk ?"

-Dev-
Yes ?

-Nvidia-
Well take all that and throw it away, just throw it away... never happened.. just a bad dream.

Dev
OK...

-Nvidia-
Well we've got this DX10 card and we're going to build a DX10.1 but not a proper spec dx10.1 card out of it and we wont you to write DX11 games for this.

-Dev-
ARE YOU ******** NUTS !

By the time the bugs have been ironed out we would be buying DX12 cards and Intel's hostile take over would have been completed.

They've been doing this for almost 10 years so I don't see why it would change now... prolly 1 in 3 games have DX/ARB paths for their main features and vendor specific paths for more advanced stuff - that don't adhere strictly to the DX or Open GL spec.
 
Rroff, we've had XP for ten years, this thing would have the bridge so many gaps, if it cant make in the GFX market I think they could send it to Gaza to work out a peace treaty.

Any way, your a developer with a big firm, what have you been hearing ?
 
Gone a bit quite Rroff.

Are you busy building a great big TWIWMP DX10.1 drum from humble pie :D;) Just joking, I know you can get a bit touchy :D
 
The thing is, I've yet to see Charlie be wrong, (ok on things he guesses) but the faults in Nvidia parts being very widespread, in all parts, still shipping and etc, etc, was all completely true. For years he's been getting info and leaking it and the majority of the information he claims to know is true and that he tells you is a best guess, is often very close to the mark.

yes he likes to be overly thorough and clearly doesn't like the way Nvidia does business, doesn't make him wrong though.

Has become laughable how little new information the Inq has without him there.

The thing of it is, Nvidia don't make their own products, TSMC don't really leak out product specs and the guys who'd leak that info won't be privy to the internal specs on that stuff, but rumours of when they'll be pushing an order through for companies most people at the plant will know. Knowing that the silicon needs a respin, has generally been accurate info when its been leaked over the past 5 years. Nvidia are late, we knew when the last respin was and its very easy to guesstimate a release date based on when a chip tapes out or needs a respin.

Considering the 4770 had such issues with 40nm, was it really any surprise that a chip what, 5-6 times as big was having monumental issues with heat, leakage and needing several respins.

To be fair, this ISN'T Nvidia's fault, its TSMC who frankly have screwed up every process for 4 years now. However, AMD got screwed on the 2900, saw the problems knew the limitations and changed their strategy to adjust and compensate and they've flourished with a small chip design, which is directly the reason the 5XXX series will beat Nvidia's gt300 to the market by a large amount. Nvidia are dense for not seeing this coming and not switching to a smaller core while they've been messing around with failed shrinks and power problems for 2 years.
 
All this GT300 news is starting to confuse me. Charlie really knows how to add filler.

I'm going to sit tight until nVidia show us something...whenever that is. Guessing end of 2009/start 2010 at the latest. Could all be a big smokescreen...

...Or not.
 
I doubt nVidia will go bump over this, they still hold a huge % more of the market share than ATi.

If ATi could pull through with the 2900s then nvidia can certainly go through this with ease even if their cards get delayed until march next year since they are far far larger than ATi....
 
I doubt nVidia will go bump over this, they still hold a huge % more of the market share than ATi.

If ATi could pull through with the 2900s then nvidia can certainly go through this with ease even if their cards get delayed until march next year since they are far far larger than ATi....


ATI had AMD backing them with 2900.

How much market share do they have ?

If you are running at a loss them the more you are selling the more you are losing. This Americanised idea of holding more of the market than your competitor will make you successful by hurting the competition is a faulse economic strategy used by desperate people and morons.

You need to do two simple things to keep a business healthy,

1, Sell for the right price.

2, Give a proper service.
 
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Don't get me wrong, I don't think in any way what they are doing is sustainable for very long periods of time, however as long as nVidia can pull their strategy together in the next couple of generations I can't really see them disappearing and going bankrupt.
 
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I'm also sure nVidia can turn this round. They will find something. Who knows, maybe the nVidia DX11 cards will kick the ass of everything else...I hope.
 
I doubt nVidia will go bump over this, they still hold a huge % more of the market share than ATi.

If ATi could pull through with the 2900s then nvidia can certainly go through this with ease even if their cards get delayed until march next year since they are far far larger than ATi....

Yeah not likely to go bump... they own more than 60% of the gaming market for GPUs... the 8800 series being by far the most common videocard in a gaming system.

EDIT: Infact the 260GTX alone is outselling the entire 4800 range by almost 8% on last months sales.
 
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Yeah not likely to go bump... they own more than 60% of the gaming market for GPUs... the 8800 series being by far the most common videocard in a gaming system.

EDIT: Infact the 260GTX alone is outselling the entire 4800 range by almost 8% on last months sales.

Most likely because the 4xxx is on the way out.

There is no replacement for the 260GXT worth waiting for.
 
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