Drink Driving

Kitchster_uk said:
No, you must know idiots or children. People will always drink and drive. Same as people will always commit murder and fiddle kids. You don't see adverts saying "Oi, nonce - we've got our eyes on you..." because it doesn't work. The government will say that the campaigns work because less people die. That's because crashing your Mk4 Mondeo is much less likely to result in death than if you crashed your Montego 20 years back.

The Government is simply going for headline grabbers that end up being 'jobs for the boys'. Why not spend £100m fixing some of the worst accident blackspots that claim more lives than drink driving? Because there isn't a quango in it.

I've just got back from Turkey and was having a chat with the guy behind the bar about how mad their roads are - little or no markings, infrequent if any speed limit signs, over-taking on main roads in towns. His take on it was that it was better than our system, because only people who KNEW what they were doing would drive. Slower drivers move right to the side of the road and allow faster vehicles past, over-taking cars use their horns to let the slower car know they are passing. Ok, much less traffic on the road, but he did have a point, we let any timmy retard who is scared of their own shadow drive.

Make the roads less dangerous, educate more, persecute for minor offenses (motorway speeding etc) less and punish bad drivers and those with no insurance more.
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Codswallop.
It's a relatively new law unlike murder or pedophilia so needs to be made clear. More people are drink driving these days, like I say, younger people.

And from my experience of the roads in turkey, they're terrible, deathtraps, bad surfacing, and everyones an over agressive ****. Half the motors I saw on the road were obviously not safe, probably uninsured, untaxed, illegal manouvers everywhere. No one was wearing a seatbelt, just complete idiots.
Thats what I would call a complete disregard for road safety, turkey is the last place I'd take advice for on motoring, you must be able to pass a test with a wad of cash or something because none of them seemed to have a clue.

If you drove like people did in turkey over here there would be ridiculous amounts of crashes, it's always nice to see a new driver not acting like a complete bufoon all the time. I like a blast same as the next person but some people take the **** and do it all the time, thats just going to end one way, a big crash.
 
BD10NNF said:
you could do it inside on some sort of ice hockey place just on a bigger scale. If people had to do it as part as their learning it would pay for itself. Everyone had 1/2 day learning how to control a car on ice just like Finland
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Ace idea.

Please do stump up the funding for hundreds of these centres accross the UK. Not viable.
 
Hodders said:
raising the minimum driving age to 25 would save lives !
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However it's not just the age of the driver it's also the experiance of the driver.

Take this as an example, driver passes test at 18, by the time he's 25 he's got 7 years experiance, therefore less likely to have an accident than a 26 year old who's only just passed their test.

Seems to me like somebody has a grudge against young drivers hmmmm....:rolleyes:
 
willatwell182 said:
However it's not just the age of the driver it's also the experiance of the driver.

Take this as an example, driver passes test at 18, by the time he's 25 he's got 7 years experiance, therefore less likely to have an accident than a 26 year old who's only just passed their test.

Seems to me like somebody has a grudge against young drivers hmmmm....:rolleyes:
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Well no, because at 18 you are more likely to do something completely idiotic than at 26.
 
[TW]Fox;14795115 said:
Well no, because at 18 you are more likely to do something completely idiotic than at 26.
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Whilst I agree with you to a point, there are also A LOT of older drivers that drive like morons as well.

Without meaning to cause offence to you or any of the other executive saloon drivers, but it does seem to be a lot of exec drivers and van drivers that do.

The other day in fact I had a Merc sat on my bumper on the M4, we were in lane 3 and there was no way I could have moved into lane 2, but still he sat there flashing his lights and blasting his horn at me, what if somebidy decided to pull out in front of me, causing me to brake hard, he would have ended up in the back of my car.

As it was the minute I started moving across he nearly hit me in his hurry to overtake me while i was still more in L3 than L2. I would have put him at about 40.

To me it does seem like its more older drivers thinking "they own the road" that drive like idiots than young drivers. But maybe I'm looking at it with rose tinted glasses...
 
Young drivers dont think they own the road but they do think that yes, a Corsa 1.2 trip will take that residential bend outside garrys house at 60mph.
 
You could just ice up all the motorbike test centres that were promised to be built.

Oh, wait a minute, when promising over 60, delivering 13 is apparently acecptable...
 
[TW]Fox;14795189 said:
Young drivers dont think they own the road but they do think that yes, a Corsa 1.2 trip will take that residential bend outside garrys house at 60mph.
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Yes I fully agree but I don't think it's just the young drivers, it's a mixture of younger and older drivers.

Granted I will admit I do speed every so often for example theres a section of a road near to me thats a 30 with no real reason for it (not built up, dead straight, no junctions etc) nothing that could cause much of a hazard so I tend to do 35 along it. (I'm a young driver btw, 20)

The close where my other half lives has a garden in the middle so the road goes round in a square, this evening one of her neighbours, about 45-50(ish) of age thought he'd try to get round it as quickly as he could, I would say roughly 40mph in a close with cars park all round the sides and kids playing on their bikes etc

Just proves that it isn't just young drivers but also older, supposedly more mature, drivers.
 
A mixture yes. But way more younger drivers than older.

Despite the crap that can be thrown at them (often with good reason), insurance companies have been around for a while, and they know their business. There are lots of very good reasons why they think under 21s are a higher risk.
 
Hodders said:
Put another way in 1997 only 22 car drivers killed had illegal alcohol limits.
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22 people lost their lives because of illegal alchohol limits. 22 families destroyed, sons lost, fathers gone, children that'll never see adulthood.

Just because its a comparibly low quantity doesn't mean that 22 deaths are acceptable.

Ant :cool:
 
willatwell182 said:
Granted I will admit I do speed every so often for example theres a section of a road near to me thats a 30 with no real reason for it (not built up, dead straight, no junctions etc) nothing that could cause much of a hazard so I tend to do 35 along it. (I'm a young driver btw, 20)
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If you're going to speed, you might as well do it properly, there's genuinely no point doing 35 in a 30 zone. You don't get where you're going appreciably faster unless you're on the road for aaages, but you'll be screwed over just as much as someone going much faster if you get nicked.
 
There are so many factors, if you tried to remove all of these (young drivers / old drivers / drink drivers / drug drivers / young drivers with powerfull cars etc) then there wouldent be a soul on the road

Its all about education :)
 
willatwell182 said:
Wrong, had it from several officers that only a real jobsworth will do you for 35 in a 40, said officers all worked on traffic
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Eh? Presume you mean 35 in a 30. And yes, it would probably depend on if they're having a bad day. But although I said nicked, I really meant if you get had by a camera.
 
living in the countryside, i have to say that most of the young people have been through hedges after the pub, narrow country lanes and thinking you could show colin mcrae a thing or too, i did many years ago, and i have pulled a few cars out of hedges, learnt my lesson,

in a built up area, speeding or drinking to totally unacceptable. I admit i dont mess about on the open roads but as a rule 30's and 40's keep to the limit.
 
A skid pan isn't going to teach you much about tackling an icey b-road in the winter. Even Lewis Hamilton would admit I suspect that the best idea would be to find another route, preferably a gritted A road :D

For starters, a skid pan is a couple hundred meters wide. The average b-road is just 3 to 4 meters wide. Pretty much defines the phrase "margin of error" ;)
 
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