Social Housing to be built opposite where I live

Wicksta · 3 Sep 2009 at 12:00

Orcish-Horde said:
So you rented for 12 years just like anyone else in social housing due to affordability. Was it private of social let?

You are missing the point, on purpose I guess. I could have afforded to buy a place, just not the type of place I wanted or personally aspired to so I chose to work hard (wow!!) until I could. Of course I could have not bothered getting a job, knocked up some bird and got myself a nice 3 bed semi or brand new apartment, that would have been much easier in hindsight.

antijoke · 3 Sep 2009 at 12:02

[TW]Fox;14805299 said:
Errr yes - what else are you doing if you cannot afford to have children but go ahead and have them anyway?

Good lord, I have just fallen into the category of a sponger off the state, despite receiving next to nothing from them.

[TW]Fox · 3 Sep 2009 at 12:03

jamief said:
Why?

Colleague of mine is 43 and his youngest child is 18 months. They have a stunning house in a lovely neighbourhood and enough money to send their kids to a very good school. Why is that bizarre? They waited until they had enough saved to give their kids the lifestyle they wanted to.

It's bizarre because at the age the child goes through most of their big changes - becoming 18 - they'll have a grandad really not a father.

[TW]Fox · 3 Sep 2009 at 12:04

anticonscience said:
Good lord, I have just fallen into the category of a sponger off the state, despite receiving next to nothing from them.

Why?

Did you sit down one day and decide to have kids even though you had a low paid job and couldnt really afford them?

I suspect not, so I'm not reffering to you. ISTR you also drive a 3 litre Mondeo so you can't be that hard up. I doubt you fall into the category people are discussing.

Orcish-Horde · 3 Sep 2009 at 12:05

[TW]Fox;14805314 said:
Yet most of them have them anyway - drive through any 'social housing' estate and you'll find a disproportionately higher number of sky dishes on the wall than if you drive through an affluent area. Don't flame me - try it. Go on.

Who cares, credit card debt doesn't matter anyway?

My father has had a dish on the side of his home for about 20 year which he just never got round to removing as its not used. The next time you drive round a social housing estate stop and ask how many of them dishs are still in use and how many of them own their home. You would be rather supprised how far out you opinion realy is, of couse there will be some slums that life up to you image but most will not.

Wicksta · 3 Sep 2009 at 12:06

Orcish-Horde said:
My father has had a dish on the side of his home for about 20 year which he just never got round to removing as its not used. The next time you drive round a social housing estate stop and ask how many of them dishs are still in use and how many of them own their home. You would be rather supprised how far out you opinion realy is, of couse there will be some slums that life up to you image but most will not.

So what you're saying is that people like your father and other similar people on social housing estates take no pride in their property. Do you see why people might not actually want that on their doorstep?

Orcish-Horde · 3 Sep 2009 at 12:06

Wicksta said:
You are missing the point, on purpose I guess. I could have afforded to buy a place, just not the type of place I wanted or personally aspired to so I chose to work hard (wow!!) until I could. Of course I could have not bothered getting a job, knocked up some bird and got myself a nice 3 bed semi or brand new apartment, that would have been much easier in hindsight.

Just a little but not every one can do what you did due to low wages or caring for childern from a younger age.

[TW]Fox · 3 Sep 2009 at 12:08

Orcish-Horde said:
My father has had a dish on the side of his home for about 20 year which he just never got round to removing as its not used. The next time you drive round a social housing estate stop and ask how many of them dishs are still in use and how many of them own their home. You would be rather supprised how far out you opinion realy is, of couse there will be some slums that life up to you image but most will not.

I guess you are right.

They are all on Virgin Media these days.

Wicksta · 3 Sep 2009 at 12:08

Orcish-Horde said:
Just a little but not every one can do what you did due to low wages or caring for childern from a younger age.

So what you're saying is they should have waited to have kids, as I did?

Orcish-Horde · 3 Sep 2009 at 12:09

Wicksta said:
So what you're saying is that people like your father and other similar people on social housing estates take no pride in their property. Do you see why people might not actually want that on their doorstep?

No they don't remove them as they are not causing any problem, to most people, other peoples sky dishs are the lest of the worrys.

[TW]Fox · 3 Sep 2009 at 12:10

Orcish-Horde said:
No they don't remove them as they are not causing any problem

To him perhaps, but you cant see why some people would not wish to live somewhere that rusting, disused sky dishes are not considered worth the 15 minute job of removing?

antijoke · 3 Sep 2009 at 12:11

[TW]Fox;14805369 said:
Why?

Did you sit down one day and decide to have kids even though you had a low paid job and couldnt really afford them?

I suspect not, so I'm not reffering to you. ISTR you also drive a 3 litre Mondeo so you can't be that hard up. I doubt you fall into the category people are discussing.

Upon reading your post again it would seem you were indeed talking about people who decide to have children despite not being able to afford them. Seems I was reading more into it than was actually there.

And no I don't have a 3 litre Mondeo, I have an E46 330i.

Orcish-Horde · 3 Sep 2009 at 12:11

Wicksta said:
So what you're saying is they should have waited to have kids, as I did?

Am saying they didn't entend to have them at all.

Wicksta · 3 Sep 2009 at 12:12

Orcish-Horde said:
No they don't remove them as they are not causing any problem, to most people other people sky dishs are the lest of the worrys.

A massive 20 year old analogue Sky dish would cause a problem to anyone who cared about their surroundings, and it would take what, 10 minutes to remove?

Nice...

[TW]Fox · 3 Sep 2009 at 12:12

Orcish-Horde said:
Am saying they didn't entend to have them at all.

Anyone would think contraception is hard to come by these days...

Nexus · 3 Sep 2009 at 12:13

[TW]Fox;14805314 said:
Yet most of them have them anyway - drive through any 'social housing' estate and you'll find a disproportionately higher number of sky dishes on the wall than if you drive through an affluent area. Don't flame me - try it. Go on.

Who cares, credit card debt doesn't matter anyway?

Again, spot on.

I could take a picture later of the view from my window that looks out onto a huge estate. Nearly every place has a satellite dish, they are fighting for space.

I also saw a documentary on the BBC recently looking at deprived families and child pregnancies. One family lived in a total squalor and nobody in the family worked. Their house was full of cracks, the living room was a mess, yet there on the wall was a 42inch LCD!

Orcish-Horde · 3 Sep 2009 at 12:15

[TW]Fox;14805410 said:
To him perhaps, but you cant see why some people would not wish to live somewhere that rusting, disused sky dishes are not considered worth the 15 minute job of removing?

No I would be more worryed about the drugged up drunks or house brakers that plague some areas. In my fathers case you would more likely be looking at his nice garden, which is rather well keep.

[TW]Fox · 3 Sep 2009 at 12:16

Exactly, yet interestingly in my household we don't have Sky, have never had Sky and are only now considering Freesat and although we do have a 40 inch LCD it only arrived yesterday, before that... a 32 inch CRT was the main television.

Orcish-Horde · 3 Sep 2009 at 12:18

Wicksta said:
A massive 20 year old analogue Sky dish would cause a problem to anyone who cared about their surroundings, and it would take what, 10 minutes to remove?

Nice...

I think that disk is the lest of that homes worrys it looks like its about to fall down. The wall that is.

The-Plethora · 3 Sep 2009 at 12:21

[TW]Fox;14805314 said:
Yet most of them have them anyway - drive through any 'social housing' estate and you'll find a disproportionately higher number of sky dishes on the wall than if you drive through an affluent area. Don't flame me - try it. Go on.

Who cares, credit card debt doesn't matter anyway?

This is completely true!

You will also generally find that people who are given a house have no pride in it, they see no reason to have a nice garden, get the fencing sorted etc.

Along with the satellite dish with older houses you will generally find the original crappy wire fences that they were built with and the original paint on the house.