Who hates the Union Flag?

Some people really don't know thier history. It's ironic that is was a Scot who suggested the union flag and it was the English that didn't wan't it at the time as they were "better" than the rest of the British Isles and just wanted to use the English flag to represent the UK. And now it is the English that see it more as theres than the rest of the home nations. It is mean to represent equality and harmony of the home nations.
 
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weescott said:
Some people really don't know thier history. It's ironic that is was a Scot who suggested the union flag and it was the English that didn't wan't it at the time as they were "better" than the rest of the British Isles and just wanted to use the English flag to represent the UK. And now it is the English that see it more as theres than the rest of the home nations.
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The English didn't want it because they were the dominant nation of the union - and still are to this day - which is the reason why they see it as theirs now as well.
 
rypt said:
The English didn't want it because they were the dominant nation of the union - and still are to this day - which is the reason why they see it as theirs now as well.
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I'd agree this statement is true to a certain extent, but only for a given value of true. While we're still the central nation of the British Isles, it by mo means imparts dominance. Hell, look at what happened when they voted to triple university fees - Labour shipped in a busload of Scottish MPs to pass a law which affected them in no way at all. Scotland still gets free university education. Wales gets free medical prescriptions, and complain about having to pay for hospital parking.
 
Deadbeat said:
I'd agree this statement is true to a certain extent, but only for a given value of true. While we're still the central nation of the British Isles, it by mo means imparts dominance. Hell, look at what happened when they voted to triple university fees - Labour shipped in a busload of Scottish MPs to pass a law which affected them in no way at all. Scotland still gets free university education. Wales gets free medical prescriptions, and complain about having to pay for hospital parking.
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There is a difference between how our political system works and which nation is dominant.

Put it this way ... should the Union fall apart not much will change for England really; all the institutions (bar DVLA) are in England, the government has traditionally been in London and so on.
England is often equated to Britain in most people's minds, Scotland, Wales and N.I. being smaller players in people's minds.
Things would also get better for England, we would not have 2 Scottish MPs running the country :)

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However should Scotland leave the Union, and the others follow - we would be forced to use the same flag as the Georgians (can we force them to change theirs?) :(
Unless we use the Royal Standard
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Personally I really like the Union Flag, the design is very distinctive/recognisable, my favourite Flag (as flags go!). Absolutely nothing to do with me being a Brit. I dont like to see the flag paraded out too much though (Like the US/Canada - its absolutely insane how many flags are displayed there)

Evangelion said:
No, they're both very young. The oldest flag in current use is the Danish flag (13th Century) and the oldest tricolour is the flag of the Netherlands (16th Century).

By contrast, the US flag was adopted in the 18th Century, while the Union flag is a 19th Century invention.
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In fact the Union Flag was adopted in 1606, the Union Flag in its current state was last changed in 19th Century.
 
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Its recognizable whilst also appearing simple. No complicated dragons or text involved.

I wouldnt say I like it but I wouldnt say I hate it either. Its a flag and it does its job.

If you wanted the flag to better reflect the meaning of this country, perhaps replace it with an image of a pint of beer. That sums current Britain pretty well.

:P
 
Evangelion said:
No, they're both very young. The oldest flag in current use is the Danish flag (13th Century) and the oldest tricolour is the flag of the Netherlands (16th Century).

By contrast, the US flag was adopted in the 18th Century, while the Union flag is a 19th Century invention.



Relevance? There are plenty of Commonwealth countries which don't incorporate the Union flag. It's not obligatory.



They're not part of the UK in any sense at all. Not even "technically in a very roundabout way".
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I have always liked the Union Flag, I even got kick out of class once for drawing one on a map of N Ireland. I think I touched a raw nerve at the time but the teacher at the time did say to colour it any colour you liked, I guess he did like my choice.
 
Missing.String said:
It's a piece of cloth with a pattern scribbled on it, if that's my heritage then oh dear. :/
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Well I can recall my time in the army and how they treated the flag or should I say regimental colours that had all the action in which the regiment was involved. They would be atatched to the Union Flag as a simple name like lets say the Somme. When you reflect apon all the different places and think about how many people die in the defence of our future and present. You understand why flags are very important, its you heritage weather you like it or not. A lot of people fought to preserve our ways of life, the only thing left to show for their hardship is that flag. Its the same with every nation.
 
Missing.String said:
It's a piece of cloth with a pattern scribbled on it, if that's my heritage then oh dear. :/
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meghatronic said:
Sigh.
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I agree, sigh :( but also what was said below
Orcish-Horde said:
Well I can recall my time in the army and how they treated the flag or should I say regimental colours that had all the action in which the regiment was involved. They would be atatched to the Union Flag as a simple name like lets say the Somme. When you reflect apon all the different places and think about how many people die in the defence of our future and present. You understand why flags are very important, its you heritage weather you like it or not. A lot of people fought to preserve our ways of life, the only thing left to show for their hardship is that flag. Its the same with every nation.
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Plus to add - the flag describes the heritage and history of the UK - how it is 3 nations united under their patron saint flags - much like the USA flag with stars and stripes for the union, but going to a deeper level by combining the patron saint flags.
Yes Wales is omitted, but the Welsh were part of "England" for many years before the Union (and were a smaller player at the time).
 
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