Chelsea banned from signing players for 2 transfer windows

True, but for every year that Drogba and Lampard age, Van der Saar, Ferdinand, Carragher, Gerrard etc get a year older too. As for Arsenal, Wenger's contract expires at the end of the season and while any new manager is likely to be given cash to spend, I don't expect them to mount a serious challenge in the first season under new management.

It's possible that Liverpool/MU may strengthen next year but I'm not convinced they will be able to overtake Chelsea in my book, obviously that's open to debate and would depend on what kind of deals they do. I've been wrong before as I thought Chelsea had the strongest squad for 2006-7.
 
The other thing to consider is that as next year is the World Cup, prices during the summer are going to sky rocket in relation to any players actual worth - well they seemingly have done in previous WC years, and considering what it was like this summer it will only be worse trying to buy x player for a reasonable sum - and looks like MU might not be able to buy anyone anyway:mad:
 
I don't like how much UEFA and FIFA are casting their eyes to English clubs looking for any reason at all to punish them or their players. Chelsea's punishment does not fit the crime and this morning they are threatening to increase it if the appeal fails. Honest to christ we need rid of these muppets in charge of football.
 
I'm all for severe punishments like this as long as they apply across the board.

One of the reasons football is worse these days is because English teams can cherry pick the best French/Spanish players for peanuts.
 
I don't like how much UEFA and FIFA are casting their eyes to English clubs looking for any reason at all to punish them or their players. Chelsea's punishment does not fit the crime and this morning they are threatening to increase it if the appeal fails. Honest to christ we need rid of these muppets in charge of football.

Hmm well usually I would agree but it wasn't FIFA/UEFA that just decided to look in to these clubs.
The French clubs reported them to FIFA
 
Hmm well usually I would agree but it wasn't FIFA/UEFA that just decided to look in to these clubs.
The French clubs reported them to FIFA

That's true we'll see what happens. I'm not just talking about clubs being reported but continual discussion from the likes of Blatter and Platini about how dominant the Premier League is, the amount of money spent, etc. They seem to be looking at anything that allows them to specifically target English clubs.
 
i hear Man U are getting a case like this too for signing some team in france. That wud be awesome Man u and chelsea both banned on signing anyone! I speak for all the kops fans! ha :P
 
I think Arsenal maybe still under a suspended transfer ban aswell. We used an unlicensed FIFA approved agent in contract talks.

Of course it was with a player who had been at the club some time, so how on earth they gave a suspended transfer ban I'll never know!

If Roma committed the same crime as Chelsea, why is the punishment different? I'm all for punishment, but it needs to be fair. It's like Dr Shipmen getting life and Rose West getting 6 years.
 
I don't like how much UEFA and FIFA are casting their eyes to English clubs looking for any reason at all to punish them or their players. Chelsea's punishment does not fit the crime and this morning they are threatening to increase it if the appeal fails. Honest to christ we need rid of these muppets in charge of football.

Maybe the punishment doesnt fit the crime (although the way the media are spinning it , its more like kidnapping / slavery) but for any big club , whether its EPL or La Liga or anyone else, what punishment does fit it

1) It cant be monitary - even if its based on % of profit from last year rather than a fixed amount, because whatever club is done, is it really likely to affect them (ie its too leniant)

2) It cant be a ban from appearing in a particular competition for x seasons, because that will be wildly too harsh

What other options are available?

Personally think a FIFA law proposed that under 16/18 International transfers should be banned from now on (ok it wouldnt make a difference to the issues between Leeds and Chelsea a few years ago but its a good start)

Maybe Chelsea (and any other club caught from now on) should be banned from International transfers for x amount of windows, might go a little way to improving english players - with injuries of some kind or other always bound to happen, some relative unknown is likely to play some games a season until the ban is lifted, or how about some temporary ruling to do with CL (like only minimal amount (4?) of international players for x amounts of seasons)

Some penalty that would normally hit them pretty hard (to make it a worthy penalty) but wont stop them competing

(and yes I am considering liklihood of Utd being affected by this also in the weeks to come)

End of the day anything monitary wont make a jot of difference, and any ban that only includes Jan window would be the same - completely pointless
 
I think what needs to happen is that the compensation given to the club where the player is poached from is representative of the talent and potential of the player in question. At the moment, the compensation is quite honestly, pitiful, and as such it's almost a non-issue when a big club signs a 16 year old wonderkid.

What should also happen, is that the club where the player has been poached from should be granted a sell-on percentage as part of the compensation - perhaps as high as 40-50%.
 
Agreed, or perhaps even compensation based on the players salary for a set amount of years, as that would guarantee income for the smaller clubs rather than having to wait until the player is (if ever) sold, also the players salary tends to reflect what the club think the player is worth.

Maybe a decreasing proportion, match the salary paid for the first year then step down 10% each year, sure something could be worked out :p
 
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I think what needs to happen is that the compensation given to the club where the player is poached from is representative of the talent and potential of the player in question. At the moment, the compensation is quite honestly, pitiful, and as such it's almost a non-issue when a big club signs a 16 year old wonderkid.

Representative fee is hard to quantify though usually wouldnt you say

For every Rooney / Ronaldo there is a Djemba-Djemba or Ngog

And the younger they are "pinched" the harder it is to tell what they will develope into

Maybe a statutory £5m + % of annual wages for the 1st three years, plus a good proportion of any sell on fee

The only slight concern about that MIGHT be that the big club compensates by offering lower wages (kid is still going from a possible nowhere club to somewhere world famous so a huge attraction, and is still likely to be on good money in comparison to what presently they earn)

edit - I laughed when I saw the BBC headlines where Man Utd are threatening to sue Le Havre over any further allegations/ slander
 
If you're Man Utd and someone is defaming your club then you'd go right ahead and sue them, god knows you need the money right about now.
You dont only 'threaten' to sue if you're positive you've done nothing wrong ;)
 
I think what needs to happen is that the compensation given to the club where the player is poached from is representative of the talent and potential of the player in question. At the moment, the compensation is quite honestly, pitiful, and as such it's almost a non-issue when a big club signs a 16 year old wonderkid.

What should also happen, is that the club where the player has been poached from should be granted a sell-on percentage as part of the compensation - perhaps as high as 40-50%.

You do realise there are millions of 16yr old kids around trying to become professional footballers, they cost smeg all to train to that level, with a basic low paid coach with dozens of kids each around the world. They aren't paying the kids much and thats why transfer fee's are low. Dozen's, it not hundreds of 16yr old "wonderkids" go on to become useless footballers. However they might be taken off a club for 50k, but the club that takes them has them on much bigger contracts, when they hit 17years old they could be making 5k a week, instead of £50. Most big clubs will have 20 wonderkids, all making 5k a week, and they'll be lucky if 2 in every 20 make it to the first team. If they do get sold on, they'll have paid said player maybe 10's of millions which is why they look to recoup money from the transfer.

Say if we sold on Fabregas for £30mil, we've probabably paid him anywhere from 10-20million since he got to Arsenal, Barca probably paid him anywhere from 2-20k while he was there, so that means Barca should automatically get £15million back out of the transfer?

WHen you factor in the fact that even the players that make it to professional contracts we would have paid 50mil in wages to 20 kids over 5-6 years with a couple of them making it to "star" wages like Fabregas, the rest will leave the club on free transfers or just covering the cost of their wages if lucky.

Quite often players like Fabregas will end up in tribunal and the other club will get anything from 25-500k, which in most cases will still be a profit. People aren't dumping millions into kids under 16, the idea they should be worth a lot is ridiculous.

The transfer system is fine as it is.

AS to other people who are suggesting alternate punishments like limiting numbers of foreign players in the CL, its just ridiculous, as it wouldn't be an even punishment across the board to various teams.

The fact is Chelsea should never have gotten a ban, full stop, a kid wanted to leave his job and go to another one, thats life, thats perfectly league in any other profession in the world, live with it. No ones a slave and no one should have to work where they don't want it, its pretty much that simple.

The main thing is, Le Harve are HOPING this kid will be worth a 20mil transfer in 10 years time, but he could easily be worth nothing and leave them losing him on a free after sinking 15mil in wages on the kid. WE're treating these kids like money in the bank when they aren't.
 
Quite often players like Fabregas will end up in tribunal and the other club will get anything from 25-500k, which in most cases will still be a profit. People aren't dumping millions into kids under 16, the idea they should be worth a lot is ridiculous.

You're absolutely right, one single kid hasn't had "millions" in training. But smaller clubs rely on their youth team to generate a couple of decent players every so often and for that player to go on and make a profit for them. For a small club for every 100 players that comes through an academy, perhaps 1 or 2 will come through and be sold for £1m or so. That £1m doesn't necessarily represent the money put into training that kid, but it does represent the training of those 100 other kids that didn't make it. It enables the continual running of a good quality youth system, and more important for a lot of clubs, the continued running of the club without going into financial difficulties or worse, administration.

Unfortunately, with the trend these days to steal the players before they've signed a professional contract, the smaller clubs aren't being compensated fairly and as such it's squeezing them harder and harder. Finances in the game are already tough enough for the lower leagues, why make it worse? We want to encourage youth development in the UK, not stifle it - the way to do that is to ensure that clubs are properly compensated for players that they have trained, that go on to become good professional footballers.

As you say, it's very difficult to guage a player's future worth, so some kind of initial payment (akin to the compensation that is agreed at the moment) plus a statutory sell-on clause would represent this the best.
 
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Either that's a typo or your keyboard's borked. I think you meant 4-5% no?

;)

It would stop big clubs scooping up all the players if it was a huge sell on clause

(at the moment any big club can easily make any investment back by selling to a lower EPL club or even a Championship level - if however sell on clause is set high enough this would be a huge deterrant)

dont you think?
 
It would stop big clubs scooping up all the players if it was a huge sell on clause

(at the moment any big club can easily make any investment back by selling to a lower EPL club or even a Championship level - if however sell on clause is set high enough this would be a huge deterrant)

dont you think?
Surely all a big sell on clause would do is make big clubs not sell their players on? They'd still sign them but wouldn't sell them on.
 
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