Report of rioting in Birmingham City Centre

dirtydog · 11 Sep 2009 at 22:14

Dolph said:
Good to see the historical British progressiveness and welcoming attitude is not lost on those who wish to 'preserve our culture'...

Would you want to live in a land full of radical Muslims who hate whites / Westerners and practice Sharia Law? No, I didn't think so.

dirtydog · 11 Sep 2009 at 22:15

Tefal said:
it's no worse than any other faith based stance.

Neither where the first Christians (well aside from the white thing) why can't we get rid of them and their descendants?

Why should Christianity get a free pass?

Are you suggesting modern day Christianity is as alien to Britain or as backward and brutal as Islam obviously is?

LabR@t · 11 Sep 2009 at 22:16

Dolph said:
Good to see the historical British progressiveness and welcoming attitude, and all the previous cultural mixing that has resulted is not lost on those who wish to 'preserve our culture'...

look at the mess it has got us in.

LabR@t · 11 Sep 2009 at 22:18

We are in the beginning of a global religious war, the sooner people wake up to this the better.

djmc0 · 11 Sep 2009 at 22:18

dirtydog said:
Would you want to live in a land full of radical Muslims who hate whites / Westerners and practice Sharia Law? No, I didn't think so.

No, but I for one would not trade London as the most multiculturalist City in the world, which it has become, and you seem like a sensationalist. People seem to forget England is the greatest land of mongrels, we all have Scandinavian, blood Roman blood, French blood. In fact, the last of the true English are probably Welsh (and Cornish)

Dolph · 11 Sep 2009 at 22:20

dirtydog said:
Would you want to live in a land full of radical Muslims who hate whites / Westerners and practice Sharia Law? No, I didn't think so.

You'll have to try harder, this post is just a big old pile of fallacies.

reductio ad ridiculum (sentence 1)

A straw man (sentence 1)

petitio principii (sentence 1 and 2)

plurium interrogationum (sentence 2)

I'm impressed, four fallacies in only two sentences.

Now try actually addressing the point I made, which was that British culture is a culture of imports, from before Christianity onwards, and by fighting against it, you are fighting against one of the defining features of our culture.

scorza · 11 Sep 2009 at 22:21

djmc0 said:
No, but I for one would not trade London as the most multiculturalist City in the world, which it has become, and you seem like a sensationalist. People seem to forget England is the greatest land of mongrels, we all have Scandinavian, blood Roman blood, French blood. In fact, the last of the true English are probably Welsh (and Cornish)

A lot of Welsh and Cornish still bear a grudge against the English stealing their country. It wasn't right then and it wasn't right now - two wrongs don't make a right.

dirtydog · 11 Sep 2009 at 22:21

djmc0 said:
No, but I for one would not trade London as the most multiculturalist City in the world, which it has become, and you seem like a sensationalist. People seem to forget England is the greatest land of mongrels, we all have Scandinavian blood Roman blood, French blood. In fact, the last of the true English are probably Welsh (and Cornish)

Why do you think that multiculturalism is a good thing?

dirtydog · 11 Sep 2009 at 22:22

Dolph said:
You'll have to try harder, this post is just a big old pile of fallacies.

reductio ad ridiculum (sentence 1)

A straw man (sentence 1)

petitio principii (sentence 1 and 2)

plurium interrogationum (sentence 2)

I'm impressed, four fallacies in only two sentences.

Now try actually addressing the point I made, which was that British culture is a culture of imports, from before Christianity onwards, and by fighting against it, you are fighting against one of the defining features of our culture.

I see you avoided answering my question.

LabR@t · 11 Sep 2009 at 22:23

djmc0 said:
No, but I for one would not trade London as the most multiculturalist City in the world, which it has become, and you seem like a sensationalist. People seem to forget England is the greatest land of mongrels, we all have Scandinavian, blood Roman blood, French blood. In fact, the last of the true English are probably Welsh (and Cornish)

its not a race issue or genetic make up issue

Its RELIGION ! so your comments on being a mongrel nation are irrelevant we never have and will never be a Islamic nation.

Tefal · 11 Sep 2009 at 22:23

dirtydog said:
Are you suggesting modern day Christianity is as alien to Britain or as backward and brutal as Islam obviously is?

well yes, it's totaly alien to Britain and was brought here by immigrants/foreigners and it's followers performed acts of incredible cruelty on the populous of Britain.

many more where killed by Christians on our own soil in the name of god than have been killed by any radical Muslim in a terror attack.

By saying "modern day" Christianity you are ignoring all of it's past, and as such you may as well have all of Britain convert to Islam.

Wait a few hundred/thousand years for it to be as accepted as Christianity is, and the be left behind by most of the population as Christianity has been and say "is modern day islam alien to briatan".

Tefal · 11 Sep 2009 at 22:24

LabR@t said:
Its RELIGION ! so your comments on being a mongrel nation are irrelevant we have and will never be a Islamic nation.

And we never where a Christian nation until it was forced upon us...

You can bet people back then said "we will never be a christen nation".

dirtydog · 11 Sep 2009 at 22:26

Tefal said:
well yes, it's totaly alien to Britain and was brought here by immigrants/foreigners and it's followers performed acts of incredible cruelty on the populous of Britain.

many more where killed by Christians on our own soil in the name of god than have been killed by any radical Muslim in a terror attack.

By saying "modern day" Christianity you are ignoring all of it's past, and as such you may as well have all of Britain convert to Islam.

Wait a few hundred/thousand years for it to be as accepted as Christianity is, and the be left behind by most of the population as Christianity has been and say "is modern day islam alien to briatan".

http://www.cgl.uwaterloo.ca/~csk/its.html

I get bored of seeing that error.

(I ignored all the other errors in your post.)

LabR@t · 11 Sep 2009 at 22:26

Tefal said:
And we never where a Christian nation until it was forced upon us...

You can bet people back then said "we will never be a christen nation".

same old rubbish being sprouted again, again.

Dolph · 11 Sep 2009 at 22:30

dirtydog said:
I see you avoided answering my question.

Your question was ludicrous, which was the point I made. Immigration at the current rate is not going to lead to a:

land full of radical Muslims who hate whites / Westerners and practice Sharia Law?

Any time soon, I would go so far as to say ever, especially as (generally) 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants become more westernised. This was what made the question both an appeal to the ridiculous (because it is not a consequence of continuing current policies) and a strawman (because it has never been brought up).

You were also begging the question by pre-supposing that the natural result of immigration at the current rate is that result.

Finally, the question was loaded because you'd set it up in such a way that if I answered that I wouldn't want to live in that country (without taking large steps to clarify and limit the response that you would probably ignore anyway because you do not argue or think rationally around this topic), you would take it as intrinsic support, if I answered the alternative, you'd present it as an example that I support sharia law and loss of liberty. It was a classic 'Will you stopped beating your wife?' style question.

So in other words, the answer to your question is that the question is ludicrous, or alternatively that 'no I wouldn't like to live in that country, it's a good job we never will.'

And you still haven't addressed my point in the slightest, but then you never do when called on your hatred of British history in favour of prejudice based on visually defined racial groupings.

Dolph · 11 Sep 2009 at 22:31

dirtydog said:
http://www.cgl.uwaterloo.ca/~csk/its.html

I get bored of seeing that error.

(I ignored all the other errors in your post.)

I notice you again failed to answer the point at hand...

Azagoth · 11 Sep 2009 at 22:31

Do you think these fundamentlaist Muslims don't like us because this Country, thanks to the ****s in power, is constantly bending over and taking it up the arse, and that is outlawed in their cult!

dirtydog · 11 Sep 2009 at 22:34

Dolph said:
Your question was ludicrous, which was the point I made. Immigration at the current rate is not going to lead to...

Muslims are the fastest growing part of the population due to immigration and birth rates so don't be so sure. A Labour minister has made no secret of his wish to see Britain become an Islamic nation:

And traitors like the Lib Dem MP Simon Hughes...

sigma · 11 Sep 2009 at 22:35

I don't know why you bother replying to DD, Dolph. He'll only ignore any posts you make which he can't answer.

LabR@t · 11 Sep 2009 at 22:37

dirtydog said:
Muslims are the fastest growing part of the population due to immigration and birth rates so don't be so sure. A Labour minister has made no secret of his wish to see Britain become an Islamic nation:

And traitors like the Lib Dem MP Simon Hughes...

! shocking god help us

I hope people wake up before its to late.