Report of rioting in Birmingham City Centre

dirtydog · 12 Sep 2009 at 00:44

I don't think it's going to happen overnight, but I do see what is happening today as the thin end of the wedge.

dirtydog · 12 Sep 2009 at 00:44

Tummy said:
Ah so this really isn't about Religion, or anything such.

This is about keeping the "white" people alive at all costs?

I think the white race is worth preserving

I make no apology for that.

Tummy · 12 Sep 2009 at 00:45

dirtydog said:
I think the white race is worth preserving I make no apology for that.

So do you have a problem with white muslims?

dirtydog · 12 Sep 2009 at 00:46

Tummy said:
So do you have a problem with white muslims?

I have already given my opinion on those people in this thread

Sankari · 12 Sep 2009 at 00:49

DD, "the white race" is the dominant ethnic group on this entire planet. Fact. We have the most money, we have the most power, and we invented instant mashed potato.

"The white race" does not need "saving" from anyone but itself.

Chimerical · 12 Sep 2009 at 00:50

Wicksta said:
Maybe it is the fear of being treated how they treat minorities?

If you've not got a lot going for yourself personally then maybe clinging onto the fact you are in the 'majority' of a population and therefore try to associate yourself with that success it would be disappointing to lose that.

Probably true. There is three sides to this argument it seems, those that say 'we're' being pushed into the minority, those that say we aren't and those that more or less wouldn't care if we were.

I happen to fall into the third camp. Although the whole idea of Muslims coming over and setting up Saudi Arabia 2 is patently ridiculous. That's not even their intention let alone whether it would be possible or not.

dirtydog · 12 Sep 2009 at 00:51

Evangelion said:
DD, "the white race" is the dominant ethnic group on this entire planet. Fact.

I don't think "the white race" is in need of "saving".

Dominant? Maybe for now. (in terms of military and/or political/economic power.)

But we are less than one billion people. We are a minority race and shrinking every day in percentage terms.

Sankari · 12 Sep 2009 at 00:53

dirtydog said:
Dominant? Maybe for now.

Check my edited post. Please notice the reference to instant mashed potato.

But we are less than one billion people.

So what?

We are a minority race and shrinking every day in percentage terms.

We are not a "minority race", and our power over other ethnic groups far more numerous than our own shows no sign of slacking. If anything, we are more powerful now than we've ever been.

I repeat: "the white race" does not need "saving" from anyone but itself.

dirtydog · 12 Sep 2009 at 00:55

Evangelion said:
We are not a "minority race"

In terms of our numbers, we are, unfortunately - it is a fact. And non white birth rates are hugely higher, so we are becoming more of a minority every day. Every minute.

Tummy · 12 Sep 2009 at 00:59

Multiculturalism is important because it dilutes and dissipates the divisiveness of ignorance. It is important because it encourages dialogue, often between radically different cultures that have radically different perspectives. It is important because it softens the indifference of tolerance, and embraces it with the genuine humanity of acceptance. It is a bridge between the divide of tolerance and acceptance.

Differences aside, human beings, regardless of their specific culture of origin, strive to provide the best they can for their family, and to live in as peaceful and harmonious a world as possible. These two goals unite us all. Multiculturalism makes the ideal and altruistic notion of loving our fellow man a tangible possibility, rather than a nebulous philosophical concept.

To paraphrase American educator Howard Shorr, "mankind must make global multiculturalism a cornerstone of education ... events occurring in our community could have consequences beyond the borders of our world." Multiculturalism is an antidote for ignorance.

What does humanity gain if we simply endure one another's presence within our society? What is the merit in that? Where is the nobility in mere tolerance? There can be no remedial benefits with this narrow-minded approach.

As a species, we are handcuffed by our own cultural myopia if we eschew philosophical, ideological or spiritual knowledge of our fellow man. It is chauvinistic and dangerous if we believe there is no merit in understanding the differences among our global neighbours.

It is incumbent on us to exploit the best of all of our differences for the benefit of as many of us as possible and, by so doing, establish a climate of trust rather than suspicion.

We should cherish the opportunity to sublimate the notion of a rigid Western, Eastern, Christian, Judaic, Islamic, etc. viewpoint and encourage people instead to look at society and culture from the viewpoint of a globally infused diaspora.

Just want to say this again, and that I agree with this.

The white race, in no way needs saving, the rest of the world needs saving from attitudes those shown in this thread.

Sankari · 12 Sep 2009 at 01:05

dirtydog said:
In terms of our numbers, we are, unfortunately - it is a fact. And non white birth rates are hugely higher, so we are becoming more of a minority every day. Every minute.

First, how are you defining "race"? Are all white people the same "race" to you? Does this include Jews or not?

Secondly, China has the world's largest population and probably has done for more than two centuries by now. Yet white people still dominate the world and will continue to do so.

Thirdly, in genetic terms there are only six distinct ethnic groupings: Sub-Saharan African, Indo-European, East Asian, Native American, South Asian and Aboriginal. We "white people" are genetically closest to everyone in the Indo-European category, which includes - wait for it! - Iranians, Indians and Greeks.

Thus:

So the colour of your skin doesn't actually mean much in the end. Genetically, you're closer to the Indians (who are non-white) than you are to the native people of Finland (who are white)!

Fourthly, you're still not taking into account the massive advantage we possess by being the inventors of instant mashed potato. When I was in Instanbul several years ago, I ordered mashed potato with my steak. Guess what they served me? Instant mashed potato. And that's in a Turkish restaurant!

What greater proof of our cultural dominance do you need?

dirtydog · 12 Sep 2009 at 01:07

Evangelion said:
First, how are you defining "race"? Are all white people the same "race" to you?

To me yes - I consider Judaism a religion, not a race.

Secondly, China has the world's largest population and probably has done for more than two centuries by now. Yet white people still dominate the world and will continue to do so.

Not in terms of numbers.

So the colour of your skin doesn't actually mean much in the end.

Race is not merely 'colour of your skin' - it is just one incidental attribute.

Pestilence · 12 Sep 2009 at 01:08

Evangelion said:
DD, "the white race" is the dominant ethnic group on this entire planet...and we invented instant mashed potato.

FOR MASH, GET SSSMMAAAAASH!

frosty03 · 12 Sep 2009 at 07:56

Pestilence said:
The truth, however, is that should it ever happen it WILL NOT happen in any of our lifetimes, at least. The growth rate of the Muslim population simply isn't as large as you appear to perceive it.

I find it strange, but have to support one of DDs points.

The muslims tend to have more kids than nons. Which, although may be slow, will eventually out-breed the nons. This has been seen in Malaysia, where the ratio was circa 55 (muslims)-40(nons) at the time of independance (1960s). It is now close to 70-75 - 20-25(nons). Yes, they are outbreeding the nons.

Only took about 50 years, but they are getting there. After a certain threshold has been reached, the slow creep to "islamatatization" will begin, usually starting with the more radical muslims calling for sharia law etc etc. Also being seen in once secular malaysia.

Let that be a grim warning to others. Islam may preach peace and neighborly love, but not all muslims follow the principles of Islam.

Sankari · 12 Sep 2009 at 08:18

dirtydog said:
To me yes - I consider Judaism a religion, not a race.

I didn't say "Judaism." I said "Jews." Whether you like it or not, the Jews are a distinct ethnic group. They are one of the Semitic peoples.

Not in terms of numbers.

Who cares? That's irrelevant. White people have never been the most numerous race on this planet, and it hasn't stopped us becoming top dog.

Race is not merely 'colour of your skin' - it is just one incidental attribute.

I agree! That was the whole point of the genetics chart, which shows that you are more closely related to Indians than to the (white) Suomi people of Finland, despite the fact that the Indians aren't even white!

Dolph · 12 Sep 2009 at 08:20

dirtydog said:
Race is not merely 'colour of your skin' - it is just one incidental attribute.

So why are you happy for races with white skin colour to interbreed, but subscribe to the one drop rule where white and coloured people breed.

What would be the difference between me having a scandinavian grandparent, and me having an indian one?

scorza · 12 Sep 2009 at 10:15

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-protestors-clash-outside-London-mosque.html

Once again we see the government refusing to talk about the issues raised by the EDL/SIOE and resorting to pathetic name calling.

LabR@t · 12 Sep 2009 at 10:41

Wicksta said:
The 'problem' only exists in certain people's minds, I certainly prefer to be living my life in the UK now to that of 20 or even 10 years ago.

I bet you do. but the tide is turning back and it will. This country gave multiculturalism a chance and now look with have these radical muslims wanting to bring over their own laws and telling us what we can cant do.

I am counting the days until the silent majority of british people stand up and say enough is enough.

LabR@t · 12 Sep 2009 at 10:42

scorza said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-protestors-clash-outside-London-mosque.html

Once again we see the government refusing to talk about the issues raised by the EDL/SIOE and resorting to pathetic name calling.

yet its the 1000 or so UAF protesters that are throwing bottles etc at the police.

This is whats wrong the media is covering up what is really the problem and hence encouraging it.

Sankari · 12 Sep 2009 at 10:53

LabR@t said:
yet its the 1000 or so UAF protesters that are throwing bottles etc at the police.

No it's not. Every news report clearly states that the 1,000 Muslims were separate from the UAF; they were not UAF members. It was the 1,000 Muslims who threw bottles, etc. at the police. The UAF behaved themselves. Why are you blaming the UAF for something that some random bunch of Muslims have done? :confused:

You seem to have got it into your head that the UAF is some sort of sinister Muslim movement, when in fact it was started by a bunch of white people, enjoys a predominantly white membership, and has no religious affiliation. This is very strange.