My mate just bought a MAC

dr4g0nf1y · 15 Sep 2009 at 01:13

do you really expect a mac to have an up to date/high end graphics card? what does it need one for?

avid, cool edit, photoshop, premier pro all heavy programmes to run on a pc and they'll work brilliantly on a mac, even a mac book

FrenchTart · 15 Sep 2009 at 01:21

drunkenmaster said:
*snip*

Very good points. And to think, I normally disagree with your posts

MagicBoy · 15 Sep 2009 at 01:27

dr4g0nf1y said:
do you really expect a mac to have an up to date/high end graphics card? what does it need one for?

avid, cool edit, photoshop, premier pro all heavy programmes to run on a pc and they'll work brilliantly on a mac, even a mac book

Exactly. OS X is very efficient and makes the most of the hardware. Apple have control of both which is a big help. They get to optimise real world performance rather than tweaking drivers to chase gaming benchmark scores against the other graphics faction.

Core Image and Core Video are a huge help. Go check youtube for the OS X 10.4 preview from the WWDC 2004 keynote, then remind yourself this was 5 years ago. It still holds up today.

OK, so the Intel GMA950 was still a bit of a dog even in a Mac but for what's termed integrated graphics I can't fault the current GeForce 9400M.

Le_Petit_Lapin · 15 Sep 2009 at 01:27

dr4g0nf1y said:
do you really expect a mac to have an up to date/high end graphics card? what does it need one for?

Crysis....oh wait...

MagicBoy · 15 Sep 2009 at 01:29

Le_Petit_Lapin said:
Crysis....oh wait...

No need. I've got the choice of a gaming PC or an Xbox 360 for that.

Caseh · 15 Sep 2009 at 01:33

I don't use it.

You don't have to use something to see that it's superior to other choices.

Klo · 15 Sep 2009 at 01:37

tbh.

Kainz · 15 Sep 2009 at 05:07

I am a recent mac convert having used windows machines from the moment Windows 2.0 arrived. Sadly as Logsi said, the underlying architecture on windows hasn't changed over the years and it's been added to constantly rather then refined and rewritten.

Vista as much as I love it was massive, Windows 7 to me feels no different and I could only see this after getting a £730 refurb macbook just recently. Leopard was already upto a point where I felt it was more enjoyable to use than Win7. Tasks felt easier to do and I was at home with it in minutes.

A month down the road I find myself looking at sodding iMacs now as they give me more desk estate and I can get rid of this giant cooler master stacker case. The OS for me is what makes it worthwhile - the damn thing is so slick since apple make the hardware+software. They've got a lot of work still to do (Safari=pos) but at the speed that they're releasing updates it won't really matter. They aren't afraid to look at existing features and remove/rewrite them.

As for the gaming side of things, what games? All I use the pc for is RTS titles like Forged Alliance. If I want games I guess I could use bootcamp to install windows on the mac. Also got a 360 too so I'm ok.

panda_uk · 15 Sep 2009 at 07:51

I've been a mac user for over 10 years. I can't afford to spend £2000 on a new system so I've decided to pay half that and build a hackintosh. The best thing about apple is its operating system, far superior and way more intuitive than windows. But the insides of a mac are essentially the same as a PC. I'm no longer willing to pay the apple tax, though I will pay £30 for their OP system.

Vonhelmet · 15 Sep 2009 at 08:06

panda_uk said:
I've been a mac user for over 10 years. I can't afford to spend £2000 on a new system so I've decided to pay half that and build a hackintosh. The best thing about apple is its operating system, far superior and way more intuitive than windows. But the insides of a mac are essentially the same as a PC. I'm no longer willing to pay the apple tax, though I will pay £30 for their OP system.

Well done genius, you mean the operating system that is subsidised by the hardware?

panda_uk · 15 Sep 2009 at 08:50

actually genius its subsidised by ipod and iphones now.

Tefal · 15 Sep 2009 at 08:54

vonhelmet said:
Well done genius, you mean the operating system that is subsidised by the hardware?

Can't be that good if it can't stand on it's own merit and needs to be subsidised by overpriced hardware.

Raumarik · 15 Sep 2009 at 08:58

There's a lot of fanboys on both sides in this thread who are extremely poorly informed and stupidly biased for/against Macs. Honestly it's just another PC, supported them for 10 years, always liked them but it was a Windows based home built PC I had at home. There's no need to be either for or against Macs, it's just a computer. It's like being fanatically for/against one car manufacturer.

Fanboys are muppets, if you're one check to see who's hand is up your backside - Gates or Jobs.

Tefal · 15 Sep 2009 at 09:05

Kami said:
There's a lot of fanboys on both sides in this thread who are extremely poorly informed and stupidly biased for/against Macs. Honestly it's just another PC, supported them for 10 years, always liked them but it was a Windows based home built PC I had at home. There's no need to be either for or against Macs, it's just a computer. It's like being fanatically for/against one car manufacturer.

Fanboys are muppets, if you're one check to see who's hand is up your backside - Gates or Jobs.

Shhh dude, it;'s much more fun to take potshots at both sides and watch the fanboys rage

Dark_Angel · 15 Sep 2009 at 09:11

I am going to read this thread later at work to give me entertainment

Kainz · 15 Sep 2009 at 09:22

Kami said:
There's a lot of fanboys on both sides in this thread who are extremely poorly informed and stupidly biased for/against Macs. Honestly it's just another PC, supported them for 10 years, always liked them but it was a Windows based home built PC I had at home. There's no need to be either for or against Macs, it's just a computer. It's like being fanatically for/against one car manufacturer.

Fanboys are muppets, if you're one check to see who's hand is up your backside - Gates or Jobs.

Flamin scots

Final8y · 15 Sep 2009 at 09:46

drunkenmaster said:
AS for the fanboys, the OP really doesn't show any fanboyism to computers, everything you assumed he meant to say, he didn't, its really a case of Mac fanboys reading into it how they wanted. He merely said £1400 for a mac to play WoW is beyond absurd, the only thing more absurd is accusing him of being a fanboy for stating something so obviously true, not least because he could have spunked £600 on a crappy Mac just for WoW.

snip!

Exactly & is a good example of people reading what they want & not what is said to purely suite themselves.

It would have been just as foolish to spend £1400 on a PC with the same crap gfx card to play WOW.
There is nothing wrong with being biased until you let it get in the way of the facts.

LeJosh · 15 Sep 2009 at 10:05

What was the entire spec of the mac?

a lot more contributing factors to play wow than just the gfx card, granted... it was silly money if it was JUST for warcraft. I hope he uses photoshop extensively.

AtreuS · 15 Sep 2009 at 10:21

randal24 said:
WoW will run on an Intel GMA x3100 all day long.

Maybe untill WoTLK came out. Try to run it on a x3100 now and you are in for a bad experiance.

Ive run it on an E7300 with 4gb ram and an onboard chipset x3100 and it barely even runs at 15fps in lowest settings at 1280x1024 resolution. WoTLK uses the new shaders and it shows. Even when i tried it on a core 2 duo 2.2ghz laptop with the x4500HD it ran like a total dog even on lowest settings.

Cant say about mac as i dont know anyone with one

RDM · 15 Sep 2009 at 10:24

LeJosh said:
What was the entire spec of the mac?

a lot more contributing factors to play wow than just the gfx card, granted... it was silly money if it was JUST for warcraft. I hope he uses photoshop extensively.

If I was going to be doing a lot of photoshop work and wasn't looking for a laptop I would probably still go for a PC over a Mac. Allows a lot more flexibility in drive and hardware set up to get the most out of photoshop inn terms of scratch drives and fast hardware.