Student kills intruder with samurai sword
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If they keep robbing people and causing people damage and misery then I think so yes. He obviosuly hasn't learned from the previous 27 times...
I am guilty of using "imho" and similar phrases, but seriously do we really need to point out when a post is someone's opinion if they don't actually say "in my opinion"? It's not like someone is going to wander into the thread and mistakenly believe Freefaller speaks unequivocally for all humanity. Of course the post represents his opinion!
There is "defending" and then there is killing an unarmed man - albeit with intentions of stealing or damaging your property - with a deadly weapon with for all we know every intention of killing him.
YES if they do wrong, i.e like in this case and the one were the old guy in NY shot a few of them trying to rob his shop.
I don't think they will do it again..
Yes but he asked 'does anyone deserve to die' and when someone replied 'yes' he said something along the lines of 'who are you to judge that etc'...pretty much telling them they are wrong for holding their point of view, so I thought a reminder that this is a subjective viewpoint was appropriate...
If this was indeed the case I don't think he should go to jail. But he has gone down to the garage knowing there could be danger (as they were broken into earlier), has taken a weapon with him, then used it. If you use the self defence argument, surely the best form of self defence would be to call the police and leave the house by the front door.
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I want to write headlines for these kind of cases!
Burglar has robbery expedition fatally cut-short after making mess is garage, unintentionally left behind hand but will not be much use in helping clean up the mess as its no-longer attached and owner/burglar is now deceased.
For the record, shame anyone has to die but he did create the situation that caused his own death and maybe now ruined a university students life, its going to be so hard for this student to continue his studies after such an event, his whole life might have been changed from this event.
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I agree if people think that he actually deserved to be killed i.e. the morally right thing to do in the situation was to go and kill the guy with a sword.
However, if what people actually mean is that he didn't deserve his rights to be respected (i.e. right to life/not be assaulted/killed) then I don't - he made the choice to ignore other people's rights (repeatedly, but then the student had no knowledge of his priors) and therefore why should anyone respect his.
I think this case is a tricky-ish one because if the student had thought 'right there's an intruder I'll go down with my sword and cut the b*****d up' then that seems wrong to me, but if he really did just arm himself for precaution, and then got 'lunged at/attacked/suprised' by the intruder and in the course of defending himself ended up killing the guy then I don't think he should be punished in any way, but we don't have access to the evidence, just the reporting.
Those who are saying he should have just called the police - this took place in Baltimore, right? Have you seen The Wire? I wouldn't put too much faith in the police having the resources to respond speedily to a 'I think there's a dude in my garage' call....
Depends how bad
I gather you are against any form of capital punishment though?
Personally, if someone has say tortured and killed people for kicks, I'd have no problem with their execution, state-sanctioned or otherwise...
But yeah someone who just steals stuff, even if it is for kicks or to fund terrorism...doesn't merit death in my view, but as I've said above, they also don't merit the full protection of the law/human rights while they are engaged in violating the law/someone else's rights
Depends how bad
I gather you are against any form of capital punishment though?
actualy I'm not, oddly enough, I just don't think it could, or should, ever be put into practise because it is ultimately far too flawed.
I was getting at the fact that people seem to think murder can be forgiven simply because someone breaked a law, in this case it is even more rediculouse because the law did not even involve damage to another human being, it was simply attempted theft.
As far as I'm concerned unless he attacked him, it is murder, if he attacked the kid and he killed him in self defense I would have no issue, but seeing as he didn't I think this kid should go to jail.
So the kid should have waited until he was actually being attacked and as such unable to wield the sword, and risk the attacker killing him?
So the kid should have waited until he was actually being attacked and as such unable to wield the sword, and risk the attacker killing him?
No, he should have not gone looking for him with a bloody sword and called the Police.
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There was absolutely no need to add that pathetic comment - it's clear it's my opinion.
The police do not have a duty of protection to homeowners, either in the US or the UK. The police cannot prevent crime, and calling the police is not a defensive action that will provide a demonstrable reduction in danger level.
Furthermore, even in the UK we do not have duty to retreat when at home.
Its quite simple really, if he hadn’t gone into that persons house illegally he would be alive.
Seeing as the criminal in this case had previously been released from jail he knew the risks.