Could it be??! Microsoft have actually made a decent OS ? (Win7)

Just so all are aware, I haven't once said Vista was a bad OS, I said it was a disappointment. its always felt as if it were unfinished imo. its gaming and file performance pre SP1 were abysmal with some 15 to 20% of performance lost compared to XP.


I also remember how bad XP was on initial release ,remember all the BSOD and driver issues back then especially before SP1,anyway the fact is nowadays Vista and Win7 give XP a very good run for the money in gaming like here http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/windows_7_gaming/ .

End of the day it was the FUD that damage Vista more then anything else in those early days,as we all know no OS is perfect ,that's why every OS Microsoft has virtually ever made has a service pack or two,throw in drivers that take awhile to mature on any new OS and you can see why it takes time.
 
is there any way to put the show desktop button back on the left and put quick launch back to how it was?

driving me mad how its different now :(

I came across a fix for this the other night you will have to google for it but the show desktop button fix can be done.
 
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Can't say I've noticed any increase in speed when I upgraded from Vista to 7...

Never had the Vista security rubbish bother me too much though, as I'm using the hidden administrator account as my main acc...
 
Can't say I've noticed any increase in speed when I upgraded from Vista to 7...

Never had the Vista security rubbish bother me too much though, as I'm using the hidden administrator account as my main acc...

Of course you wouldn't notice you never do a fresh install :p
 
far more than you would think given I used longhorn back in 2002. I look at windows 7 as the continued development and finalisation of the Vista program which I would bet my home on that it is.

Agreed. W7 could almost be "Vista SP3". :)

as for nothing being based on M.E. your both right and wrong, many new features and functions of windows M.E. which had never been seen before in a home user O.S. were taken from it along with other features of windows 2000 and merged, and thus, XP was born. Features such as automatic updates, NT based file systems, it was the first private user OS to remove most real mode MSDOS access and begin the move away from home environment OS being stapled to it.

Other features that came from M.E. are:
Windows Movie Maker
Sound Mixing
Windows Image Acquisition API
Image Preview
system restore
system file protection protocols

and much much more. It may have been a buggy ridden piece of crap but we owe much of the goodness in XP and successive OS to its failed place in history.

Again, I agree, but only in some areas. I think when XP was developed, all that was taken from Me was the ideas, like what you listed above. I would bet that most of the code was re-written totally from the ground up to give it more stability. If anything was "borrowed" I would expect it to have been from Windows 2000, which on the whole was a very good piece of software (used it myself for ages).
 
i tried win7 and it was great everything was loading quick looked great but for some odd reason i was having sound issues with my X-fi card and it was taking 5mins for it to load to desktop soo i had to uninstall and install winxp :(
 
Course MS makes decent OS.

But XP is fully functional for a home user/occasional gamer. I've never been tempted since 95 and 98 (oh the blue screens *_*) were left behind and I was on 2K, only ended up on XP by sheer chance.

Guess I didn't miss anything in Vista since I'm still here running XP while MS gets on with offloading Window 7.

It'll become obsolete eventually even for my needs but I'm not seeing that being now.
 
i had to put xp on my current setup for a couple of days once as id lost my raid drivers for vista64 (before win7)

for some reason it was slow and notchy even with gfx /chipset drivers on, vista and win7 feel sooo much smoother.
Although imo anything with a bare minimum of 2gb ram ran horribly in vista
 
But XP is fully functional for a home user/occasional gamer.

I disagree - XP was a great OS for its time, but I don't think it meets the 2009 definition of functional. Security-wise it's fairly primitive, the user interface is dated, it has no indexing and only basic caching, Explorer isn't very intuitive to use, you can't adjust volume by application, it's nearly two DirectX versions behind, the 64-bit version has inferior driver support...

With 7 running pretty well on older hardware, it's time to put XP out to pasture.
 
I disagree - XP was a great OS for its time, but I don't think it meets the 2009 definition of functional. Security-wise it's fairly primitive, the user interface is dated, it has no indexing and only basic caching, Explorer isn't very intuitive to use, you can't adjust volume by application, it's nearly two DirectX versions behind, the 64-bit version has inferior driver support...

With 7 running pretty well on older hardware, it's time to put XP out to pasture.

Security - I personally don't give moneys about security, and I don't think many other home users/gamers should either ( at worst you'll have to reinstall?)...

There are enough mods for the interface to make it like vista. And I prefer the XP interface than the 7 interface, I hate the fact that in 7, you don't even have all the sorting options on top when browsing folders, instead, you have to rmb and click sort by and then click what you want ( and it has the habit of not remembering I ALWAYS want to have ''last edited'' as an option in the list). The new taskbar may be handy for normal users, but not for users with 2 monitors/enough taskbar/screen space anyways, it's easier arranged in xp/vista when you have tons of apps open at the same time, which I always tend to do... Same thing with icons in the bottom right corner, now I have to go into the options to make (some of) them always show or have to produce an extra click to view them. Again this is step backwards in productivity imo, it should rather by default show all icons, and make you able to hide the ones you don't need, because usually, I need the majority. New gadget system is worse for dual monitor users too, they used to have their own dedicated space on my 2nd screen and when I did '' always on top'', they never sat in the way of other apps but I could always see them when gaming to monitor my cpu/memory usage etc, now they either can't be always on top, or they sit in the way of way app I have in fullscreen/maximized on the 2nd monitor, rather than maximizing and leaving the sidebar alone on my 2nd screen, now an app goes into the space of the gadgets and the gadgets hover over my app :confused: I could go on all day about what annoys me and slows me down more in 7 then it did in vista but I have to go to uni now or I'll be late :p.

I always turned infexing off anyways.
Lack of superfetch is indeed a shame :(.
Isn't intuitive? What do you mean ?
Who cares if you can't adjust volume by app? Just turn up/lower your volume on your speakers, and important apps DO have seperate volume controls eg. WMP and Games ?
Direcx10, hardly a loss is it ? Dx9 in xp still seems to run fine fps wise compared to newer OS's.

Of course you wouldn't notice you never do a fresh install

Of course a fresh install would be faster though, irrelevant of the OS.
 
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Security - I personally don't give moneys about security, and I don't think many other home users/gamers should either ( at worst you'll have to reinstall?)...

what kind of strange fluffy sugar coated world do you live in?

most people these days DO worry about security. And they blooming well should too!!
 
"for me as a.." is what I should have written.

Interface/Explorer/Volume - very minor reasons

Security/64bit Drivers - not applicable

Indexing/Caching/DirectX - fair enough, those would make a difference, not currently the difference I'd want to change over for but if programs start malfunctioning because of lack of DX support I might reconsider.
 
what kind of strange fluffy sugar coated world do you live in?

most people these days DO worry about security. And they blooming well should too!!

Because ? If someone only uses his pc to play some games then why would he care about security?

XPsp3 + (HW) Firewall+ windefender+ free AV like avast is safe enough for 99% of pc users imo.
 
Because ? If someone only uses his pc to play some games then why would he care about security?

XPsp3 + (HW) Firewall+ windefender+ free AV like avast is safe enough for 99% of pc users imo.

I'm gamer and beta games tester,I always CARE about security,I also order stuff online too so not caring is stupid and asking for trouble IMHO.


I actually like UAC in Vista/Win7 a lot which helps security with my router (HW) firewall,Windows Firewall,,Defender,Avast etc...
 
I've been using Windows 7 for months now and have come to the conclusion that a bug still remains where one has been solved, this is in RTM and the trend stuck with RC/BETA.

Solved:
Windows forgets folder views - no longer forgets as each folder has its own views saved if viewed from library or from Explorer itself. Nice.

New Issue:
Taskbar pinned jump list items vanish, totally randomly.
MS Technet forums has no idea, some say it's to do with having a USB external HDD and a pinned item that shared an attribute with the HDD while others say it's power management settings.
Either way I suppose I only noticed it when pinning My Computer to the Explorer icon on the taskbar as all my other pinned folders are from My Documents so have since re-applied my pinned items except My Computer - we will see if they vanish :p

Apart from that it's superbly speedy and never crashes. Well I have had a few bluescreens but only when I've been toying with my max overclocking settings but since then none at all.

It is /the/ OS to have at the moment!
 
XP Pro was a amazing OS, espically after SP2 it was solid as a rock. Very little went wrong unless it was a users fault. and i can speak from experiance as i've been in It support all these years. Windows 7 looks like the next great OS as i've been using 7600 build and if you have a decent PC then it's also lovely
 
XP Pro was a amazing OS, espically after SP2 it was solid as a rock. Very little went wrong unless it was a users fault. and i can speak from experiance as i've been in It support all these years. Windows 7 looks like the next great OS as i've been using 7600 build and if you have a decent PC then it's also lovely

where the hell did you get a 7600 build from? the last RC released was 7100? :(
 
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