Could it be??! Microsoft have actually made a decent OS ? (Win7)

Security - I personally don't give moneys about security, and I don't think many other home users/gamers should either ( at worst you'll have to reinstall?)...

I'm not exactly a security obsessive myself... but when there are features available like privilege isolation, a firewall that actually filters outbound connections and protection against lots of malware techniques like buffer overflow attacks, and it doesn't take any effort to have these features enabled, why not have them?

There are enough mods for the interface to make it like vista.

Probably. But it'll never be like Vista/7, because the way Vista draws windows is fundamentally different from XP. And why apply a dozen mods when you could have it all by default?

And I prefer the XP interface than the 7 interface, I hate the fact that in 7, you don't even have all the sorting options on top when browsing folders, instead, you have to rmb and click sort by and then click what you want ( and it has the habit of not remembering I ALWAYS want to have ''last edited'' as an option in the list).

Agreed, the forgetfulness is an annoying problem, as is the one where it thinks image files belong in a music folder, etc.

The new taskbar may be handy for normal users, but not for users with 2 monitors/enough taskbar/screen space anyways, it's easier arranged in xp/vista when you have tons of apps open at the same time, which I always tend to do...

I love that you can drag taskbar icons in 7 to rearrange them. That's a feature I miss in XP and Vista.

I always turned infexing off anyways.

Fast search is one of the best features of Vista/7. Waiting for XP to search my files drives me nuts.

Isn't intuitive? What do you mean ?

Little things in XP Explorer - it's hard to search the folder you're in, it's harder to navigate folders without the Vista breadcrumbs at the top of the windows, it's harder to handle conflicts when copying files...

Who cares if you can't adjust volume by app?

Me, when I want to hear stuff like the MSN noises but I don't want them drowning out my music.

Direcx10, hardly a loss is it ? Dx9 in xp still seems to run fine fps wise compared to newer OS's.

Aren't some games going to be Vista/7 only, though?
 
I've been using Windows 7 for months now and have come to the conclusion that a bug still remains where one has been solved, this is in RTM and the trend stuck with RC/BETA.

Solved:
Windows forgets folder views - no longer forgets as each folder has its own views saved if viewed from library or from Explorer itself. Nice.

vista does this for me. any workaround/fix?
 
I'm not exactly a security obsessive myself... but when there are features available like privilege isolation, a firewall that actually filters outbound connections and protection against lots of malware techniques like buffer overflow attacks, and it doesn't take any effort to have these features enabled, why not have them?

I have a router... And yes I have win fw enabled, but xp also has a built in firewall... It's a double FW anyways...

Probably. But it'll never be like Vista/7, because the way Vista draws windows is fundamentally different from XP. And why apply a dozen mods when you could have it all by default?
Because xp is sitll faster after all those mods in stuff like boot time and doesn't have setup hassle ( eg. disabling/tweaking UAC)

Agreed, the forgetfulness is an annoying problem, as is the one where it thinks image files belong in a music folder, etc.
It drove me mad in vista, it still drives me mad in 7 :mad:.


I love that you can drag taskbar icons in 7 to rearrange them. That's a feature I miss in XP and Vista.
Never really used that feature yet, but then, I've onyl been on win7 for a week now and vista before that.

Fast search is one of the best features of Vista/7. Waiting for XP to search my files drives me nuts.
Waiting for it to index 3TB of data drives me mad, I barely ever use search anyways...



Little things in XP Explorer - it's hard to search the folder you're in, it's harder to navigate folders without the Vista breadcrumbs at the top of the windows, it's harder to handle conflicts when copying files...
Ok Vista was quite handy with this, but I wouldn't really miss those features in xp if I went back, aside from the shortcut bar on the left with my most used locations/fiolders.



Me, when I want to hear stuff like the MSN noises but I don't want them drowning out my music.
I don't want to hear msn anyways so no biggy, I'm nearly always on busy and even when I'm not, I have stuff like teh sound when someone logs in disabled.

Aren't some games going to be Vista/7 only, though?
There are workarounds... And the games that are vista/7 only, aren't teh most interesting games either imo.


EDIT, sry for typos, I'm in a rush kind of gtg to work in 5 mins...
 
Int,

Thank you for evaluating Windows 7 and it's great to hear that you are enjoying your experience so much! If you are planning on purchasing Windows 7 when it is released it may be helpful to know you don't have to wait until October to reserve your copy of Win 7! You can pre-order your copy of Windows 7 Home Premium or Windows 7 Professional today. For more information, see the Windows 7 Pre-Order offer page here: http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/buy/offers/pre-order-ended.aspx

Also, if you are currently a student you may qualify for the $30 upgrade to Windows 7. For more information, please go here: http://windows7.digitalriver.com/st...=hLHanAoBAiMAAC6AwxgAAAAu&rests=1253574330450

Jessica
Microsoft Windows Client Team
 
Ive long been an Xp Fan, but since I dont like being left in the dark I tried vista now this didnt go down well for me at first, the sidebar which has been fixed in 7, uac was damn annoying and in 7 i just switched it off. Not being able to uninstall IE which I personally hate, and the user interface of having profiles, documents and libarys could have been implemented in a way that works better for users who have more than one harddrive.

It seems pretty hard coded that ur not gonna change how u like windows to use your disk space, specially as I like to keep all my pictures, movies and music on a seperate harddisk so reinstalls are easy. Having it hard coded to just user profile being the main area ur ment to store your stuff is pretty damn annoying for me. I mean if I route deep I can fiddle a little to improve this but it was far simpler on xp than it will ever be on 7 imo. but then on the brighter side 7 is stable looks nice, indexing is handy and im starting to like it over the odds of it treating users as if they shouldnt fiddle with anything and hiding the options. if 7 had a xp style user interface id snap it up in no time but unfortunally for me they seem to have dumped one success and moved onto a totally different os. which im sure one day I will get to grips with. :rolleyes:
 
Int,

Thank you for evaluating Windows 7 and it's great to hear that you are enjoying your experience so much! If you are planning on purchasing Windows 7 when it is released it may be helpful to know you don't have to wait until October to reserve your copy of Win 7! You can pre-order your copy of Windows 7 Home Premium or Windows 7 Professional today. For more information, see the Windows 7 Pre-Order offer page here: http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/buy/offers/pre-order-ended.aspx

Also, if you are currently a student you may qualify for the $30 upgrade to Windows 7. For more information, please go here: http://windows7.digitalriver.com/st...=hLHanAoBAiMAAC6AwxgAAAAu&rests=1253574330450

Jessica
Microsoft Windows Client Team


Thanks Jessica but am going to wait and see if I can get on a college course I am looking at doing first. Whilst it is a lovely operating system, it is one microsoft have saved a packet on given its clearly a further developement of the Vista OS and as such R&D costs and time spent on this OS should be far lower than those of Vista.

Taking this into account along with a conservative expectation of 200 million units sold by the end of year two at an average of £70 per unit, that makes for £14 billion pounds worth of revenue generated and as such I think the pricing especially in today's climate is somewhat steep for some of us.

Has Microsoft ever considered a yearly licence option for those less well off and for business in general?
 
uac was damn annoying and in 7 i just switched it off.

You can either turn the frequency of the prompts down or just use TweakUAC. Turning it off isn't really a good solution as it has significant security benefits.

Not being able to uninstall IE which I personally hate

I hate IE too, but it's not like you have to use it. Just set a different default browser, then delete the IE icons and pretend it doesn't exist?

It seems pretty hard coded that ur not gonna change how u like windows to use your disk space, specially as I like to keep all my pictures, movies and music on a seperate harddisk so reinstalls are easy.

So do I, but even on Vista it's pretty easy to change the location of the pictures/music/video folders to another drive.
 
Because xp is sitll faster after all those mods in stuff like boot time and doesn't have setup hassle ( eg. disabling/tweaking UAC)

Is XP generally faster than Vista or 7? Yes. But to me, that's like saying that your car would be faster if you took out the comfortable seats, the air conditioning, the power steering, the sound system, etc. The car would be lighter and thus faster, but it would also be much less pleasant to drive. The same applies to XP - yes, it's faster than Vista/7, but all the things which are missing to enable it to be faster make for a much worse user experience. Most of us don't race our cars, so we'd take a slightly slower journey over a less comfortable one. In the same way, when I'm on my PC all day, I'd take a more pleasant experience over one that's a bit faster.

I don't know where people get this idea from that new OSes should use fewer resources than old ones. New OSes can use more resources because there are always more resources available due to advances in hardware.
 
I don't know where people get this idea from that new OSes should use fewer resources than old ones. New OSes can use more resources because they throw a hissy fit if there isn't enough to feed them.

Fixed it for you ;)


I'm wondering why there's a pre-order of windows 7 listed at all when buying Vista gets you Vista AND windows 7 for just slightly more than buying Vista and less than pre-ordering windows 7...

Although if you do have the "full priced" tag waving around the place it adds incentive to jump in sooner, Vista seems to be the free giveaway with the Windows 7 irregardless of what the package says.
 
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I hate people who complain about memory usage!!!

What is the point in having unused ram? unused ram is wasted, its there for a reason, if windows would like to cache files in it, then it should, it'll help when loading up apps etc. As long as i gets out of the way when another app needed the ram (Which it mostly did).

Now I'm sitting here on 7 with a low ram usage of 1.5gb wishing windows would cache firefox, ableton live and all the other rograms I use regularly rather than wasting 2.5gb of ram.

It's not that it caches files, it's that you can't stop it, at least not without some serious digging... and if you're on a system with maybe only 2-3gigs of ram (which is entirely plausible) you find that vista has swallowed it all.. meaning when you want to run some intensive applications or games, it has to take the ram back from vista, it's just an extra step in the chain...

Consider it like this.. let's say you're at the supermarket and i fill your trolley with a load of items that you might want to eat. But you decide you want to fit in a large crate of beer/wine. You would have pull a load of stuff out of the trolley to fit your precious alcohol in there. Sure, if you actually want the items already in there then it's great that i filled up your trolley, ive saved you time. But the chances are that you won't want everything i put in there, so it would just be easier for you to fill it yourself as and when is needed.

I hate vista with a passion, everything it does seems to be designed to annoy me. The way it overwrites my drivers for no reason, the way UAC bugs the crap out of me, even when its turned off it pops up its balloon every time i logon telling me uac is turned off. How about the way that the skins in vista severely impact performance? Or the near constant instability of large programs? How about the completely backwards way it manages wireless networks and how it somehow manages to get worse signal from an XP machine in exactly the same place using exactly the same hardware?

I've found windows 7 as good as vista is bad. I know that underneath it's basically a service pack, a revision of vista how it should have been.

I will admit that I am biased, because I'm tainted by bad experiences with vista.. but I've been using 7 professional as my OS temporarily for these last couple of weeks and I've not had a single fault, failure or crash that I can put down the it being a fault with windows.. I've crashed while overclocking, but that's not windows' fault.
In the future, maybe I'll dislike windows 7 more with more experience with it. but I'll list a couple of things I like about it compared to vista.

Firstly, the control panel, I'm glad it's back to the classic style where everythign is easy to get to.
UAC is nowhere near as annoying, if annoying at all.
windows 7 is very clean visually.
quick to boot.
improved stability.
much better hardware support.. it's not released yet and without internet connection it managed to identify and support all of my devices except one, which it found as soon as i connected to the internet.
The startmenu also integrates with many programs and the right click menus are much more in-depth.

There's on gripe i have right now, and that is that i can't open links with windows live messenger by clicking on them, haven't bothered to look into why yet, but that's my only problem so far.
 
lol..

Its not like it takes long to remove cached items from ram... And it doesn't have to happen constantly, as soon as an app launches it would take a few milliseconds to clear cache and let the app have the ram it required.

I would much rather windows used 90% of my RAM and take a few (2-3?) milliseconds when I load an app to clear the cache...
 
I think the term decent OS is a little radical, its certainly a good OS but I wouldnt call it "perfect" as there are still bugs, and over time im sure more will be identified.
 
Yo Arachnae, I'm really happy for you and Imma let you finish, but Windows 7 is one of the best OSes of all time.
 
And you don't wait for it, it does it during idletime and it does it without affecting performance while you're actually using it.

If ever there was an intergalactic fail this is it right there.
 
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