We went for a V10 after spending a while looking at everything, it was the best set suited for our viewing conditions and the picture is cracking imho.
LCD, LED or Plasma?
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We went for a V10 after spending a while looking at everything, it was the best set suited for our viewing conditions and the picture is cracking imho.
Its a good set that one. The one thing that put me off is the TV seems to flicker which gave me a headache demoing it.
One thing i am going to try and get done at the weekend is get a set of pictures from the Sony and Pioneer screens as a example and see who can guess what one is what.
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Yeah, as i'm sure you have relevant experience in fully testing/calibrating a backlit LED TV in all its glory (suitable environment, lighting, viewing distance, etc). That goes for everyone here recommending plasma, please enlighten me about your experience in testing an LED TV to the point where you can make statements opposing it.
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Lol that's a very good point.
It's almost as though plasmas improve with calibration and image adjustment yet LED backlit[/pedant] LCDs don't
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Lol that's a very good point.
It's almost as though plasmas improve with calibration and image adjustment yet LED backlit[/pedant] LCDs don't
no it isnt, at all. nobody said that there was a display that didnt benefit from calibration. come on, use a bit of common sense. It's funny, the only people actively looking to single out display technologies are you and the other led backlit lovers. Funny that, because us 'plasma fanboys' arent always recommending plasma's, DO recommend other displays if they fit the purpose and certainly DO know what our displays excel in and what they do not.
can the same be said of you? no.
I had read about the flicker over on av forums, however can safely say ours doesn't do this
Had it since June.
Some people will put it down to your preception of the flicker, or lack of lol. but the truth is some are worse than others. I've seen one v10 that i saw the flicker on stright away, whereas there is none on my 50pz80. but the 2nd v10 i saw - virtually no flicker.
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Shelster whatever display you decide to purchase make sure its the right one for you. there is a huge performance diferential out there between displays even within the same price brackets. The reason i ended up with my pz80b was that for a grand, nothing out there touched it, and it's still top flight now which is A-ok by me. However had a different display been better for the price i can promise you i'd have bought it.
Dont take anything for granted, think about the application (mostly day or night watching, sd or hd ect ect) and dont ever listen to anything any sales assistant tells you. And dont listen to anybody on a forum who's incapable of forming an unbiased opinion either.
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If a thread entitled, "LCD, LED or Plasma" doesn't justify actively looking at each technology, then I don't know what does.
The only thing funny is your need to justify yourself. You don't just recommend plasma! Woah, have a gold star. I don't think anyone on here really just recommends one tech, so perhaps you should be using some common sense and stop reading into RG's posts so deeply.
I do wonder though (out of sheer boredom), if I, an 'LED backlight lover' worded my previous posts differently advocating a new plasma TV i recently bought, would the responses I received still be construed in the manner they were or would my post harmlessly be put aside as another notch beside the plasma screen pedestal.
There is a slanted stance in this thread and it's obvious the collective brain of experts on here don't like it when some random Joe appreciates something they haven't fully experienced yet.
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The only thing funny is your need to justify yourself. You don't just recommend plasma! Woah, have a gold star. I don't think anyone on here really just recommends one tech, so perhaps you should be using some common sense and stop reading into RG's posts so deeply.
I'm not justifying myself of the decisions i make, i'm pointing out the errors in his argument - there's a difference. Quite why you feel the need to get involved i dont know as i wouldnt have lumped you in that group, but certainly all you seem to be interested in is causing arguments? but if you wish to continue my email is in my trust - go for it.
Well you know how it goes. I loved my sony midi system until i got a proper HT setup. I loved that amp (yamaha rxv-630) untill i bought my onkyo805.....i still love it to this day even though i KNOW there is better out there, at the time....there wasnt an amp in its price range that touched it and although other amps and manufactures have caught up, it still holds it's own and impressively so. I loved my sony lcd until i got my panasonic plasma. There's a difference between apreciating something and flat out excluding the possibility that there are other (better) displays in the price range that should be considered. Just take the comments made in this thread and think about them for a second - how many people have said 'lcd's are better than plasmas for hd' or 'plasma's are better than lcd's for SD' ? two blanket statements that are about as much use as an inflatable dartboard but people still say it. Are they universal truths? nope.
......Actually its interesting, im not sure where this lcd's being better for hd statement has come from. If you look at reviews (decent ones), they might say lcd's just pip it, but they'll also say why. from what ive seen, its because they 'pop' more, meaning colours are more vibrant and this is normally in reference to gaming i might add. Think about that also, it couldnt possibly BE becuase that particular display wasnt quite as accurate through the colour range as whatever it was that they compared it to, being gamma tracking, grey scale or whatever.....could it?
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Definitely not on this one, to us anyway, and we're fussy buggers with things like this
From what I'd read as well it seemed to be more common on the 50 inch models but no idea if it actually is more common on those.
I like it as THX mode just makes calibration a doddle for lazy folk like me
Definitely not on this one, to us anyway, and we're fussy buggers with things like this
From what I'd read as well it seemed to be more common on the 50 inch models but no idea if it actually is more common on those.
I like it as THX mode just makes calibration a doddle for lazy folk like me
The one i viewed was a 42
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Very good analogy.
james.miller - you need to get laid
What a stupid comment.
Grow up.
LCD for me. LED too expensive for the new tech, and very much lacking in what we really want and will have with LED in the near future. At the moment they are just backlit. I have seen a couple and they are over hyped in my opinion. Just because a TV looks really bright does not mean it's a better picture, which is where some people get sucked in. I think the black levels on some of the Samsungs I have seen are no better than some of the top end LCDs at all. Plasma's again I feel are just overhyped and do not offer as good a picture as the LCDs I have seen really. Atleast not enough to warrant the extra cost and worry of burn issues.
If you read most reviews, especially those that pit LCD VS Plasma, you will find that when it comes to movie/TV watching, plasmas comes up top, at each price point. In otherwords, it is actually the LCD TVs that end up costing more, for a given image quality level.
I've owned a plasma for about 10 months. I've not treated it any differently as compared to my old CRT. Not a single burn issue. In fact, had I not read about this mythical phenomenon, I would never even have known that plasmas can have burn issues. I think in modern plasma, burn issues are a non-issue, unless you play a lot of console games perhaps. But if you do play lots of console games, my advice would've been to get an LCD TV in the first place.
One of the good final CRTs certainly does. My parents old Tosh 36er was truly awesome, until some chip went inside screwing up peoples faces
SD pq, screen uniformity, and motion handling (especially) still better any consumer tv I have seen out there. OLED is a bit hard to comment on, but from seeing the 11inch Sony, I think we have a winner.
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Nothing wrong with LCD, and since LED is just an LED backlit LCD it's not that much better, for the price. Plasma are just too expensive and inefficient for what, a better viewing angle?
You'd have to be pretty serious to use a CRT in 2009.
You'd have to be pretty serious to use a CRT in 2009.
The problem with judging OLED using a 11" screen is that the 11" screen will be able to hide artifacts due to it's small size. I'm sure if you took a dirt cheap 11" LCDTV it will make any image (including SD) look acceptable. Any problems will usually become magnified when you increase the size of the image and that is where the proof of the pudding will be.
I remember a while back, people were raving about SED. It died a natural death. Now its OLED.
Until a cheap method of manufacture can be found and a willingness for large corporations to equip their factories (which will have a substantial cost) to manufacture OLED sets, its unlikely we will see OLED sets (of decent size) any time soon.
We just have to wait and see I guess.
I remember a while back, people were raving about SED. It died a natural death. Now its OLED.
Until a cheap method of manufacture can be found and a willingness for large corporations to equip their factories (which will have a substantial cost) to manufacture OLED sets, its unlikely we will see OLED sets (of decent size) any time soon.
We just have to wait and see I guess.
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This is true, and there actually has been a bigger oled screen on demo, from samsung 40" OLED and from what ive seen of the people who have viewed it....opinions were devided. There's No question of the benefit's of oled the biggest being obviously no backlight meaning absolute black blacks, better than anything else out there. I can vouch for that: my Evoke pure flow has an oled screen, it might be single colour but its the same principal - at night, you wouldnt even know it was switched on save bright yellow display graphics. There's no lightbleed like backlit lcd's, just absolute blacks - makes my plasma look poor and thats not an exaguration. Anyway back to that samsung a few people saide it didnt have the most natural colour reproduction, but whether thats down to the technology or not is unclear at this point. At any rate, mass-production oled screens are currently still a long way
lol. Thanks for the offer but i'm strictly butter-side up.
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