FTTH now planned for 2.5m homes by BT

BT are slow slow slow and have missed the boat.

Funding should have been supplied years ago for the country to begin a fibre roll out by our 'telecom gaint' BT, but no. Both BT and the government took their time and we have been plodding along with copper wire for way too long. Only now it is finally clocking on that we need to press forward and actually spend some money to climb up the broadband rankings of the world.

Virgin media are sitting sweet and have been from the word go really, with the huge and costly foundations that were laid by NTL by digging our roads up all them years ago. They have paid the price and have almost always offering the benefits of faster speeds. With trails of 200mbit starting, they are leaps and bounds infront of BT and will be for at least 4 years.
 
The initial (planned) pricing of fttc is chronic too, it's on par with virgins 50meg, but slower and capped. Ftth will cost more and suffer bt "we don't throttle anything" throttling and be pants.

On the plus side, fiber from the exchange to my home would open up fiber llu...
 
When are the actual services going to go live? my exchange ( failsworth ) was one of the pilots and apparently we now have fibre to the cabinets.

edit: Never mind i just found my answers. The fibre to the cabinet goes live in january on my exchange ( apparently ) :p
 
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BT are slow slow slow and have missed the boat.

Funding should have been supplied years ago for the country to begin a fibre roll out by our 'telecom gaint' BT, but no. Both BT and the government took their time and we have been plodding along with copper wire for way too long. Only now it is finally clocking on that we need to press forward and actually spend some money to climb up the broadband rankings of the world.

Virgin media are sitting sweet and have been from the word go really, with the huge and costly foundations that were laid by NTL by digging our roads up all them years ago. They have paid the price and have almost always offering the benefits of faster speeds. With trails of 200mbit starting, they are leaps and bounds infront of BT and will be for at least 4 years.
Except their coverage is weak at best and is copper for the last-mile. And as for BT doing it all, who was going to pay for it?
 
Except their coverage is weak at best and is copper for the last-mile. And as for BT doing it all, who was going to pay for it?

Alongside the fact that VM/NTL still haven't recouped the costs of laying the cable which almost drove them into bankruptsy almost 15 years ago...
 
On the plus side, fiber from the exchange to my home would open up fiber llu...
Nope, it's locked into BT's services for a few years.
Otherwise BT wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

I do actually agree with BT on this one though, the rates for a telephone line are too low. Certainly not enough equity in who pays for what.

Though really, this is where we should have been pouring the billions, not into "Hug a hoodie" initiatives.
 
not that i know a lot of things but the government took over the roll out in sweden as most people have 100mb to home? up and down? or at the very least 10mb up down?

anyone explain?

also there are a lot of far poorer countries like lithuania? with better internet that us?
 
Nope, it's locked into BT's services for a few years.
Otherwise BT wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

I do actually agree with BT on this one though, the rates for a telephone line are too low. Certainly not enough equity in who pays for what.

Though really, this is where we should have been pouring the billions, not into "Hug a hoodie" initiatives.

You sure?

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4067-openreach-fttc-upstream-speed-increase.html

This seems to suggest openreach will be renting the fibre lines out at £88 a year.

Also this reveals that fttc products will be 40 down 10 up.

Also for fttp products the rent varies from £175 to £255 a year.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/...es-more-price-information-for-fttp-pilot.html

So looks like other ISPs will be able to take advantage of this as mentioned by the thinkbroadband article in the second link.

Would be interesting to compare to ADSL2+ rental charges and find the premium for fibre.
 
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not that i know a lot of things but the government took over the roll out in sweden as most people have 100mb to home? up and down? or at the very least 10mb up down?

anyone explain?

also there are a lot of far poorer countries like lithuania? with better internet that us?
I think your full-stop button is broken.

What does the wealth of a country have to do with the speed of their internet connection? Governments prioritise different things.
 
also there are a lot of far poorer countries like lithuania? with better internet that us?

If lithuania spent money getting gigabit internet connections, should we try and outdo them?

Currently the fibre upgrades in the UK are being done with no public money. BT are spending £1.5bn of their own money.
 
I think some forget we paid for BT's infrastructure via taxes already. Now they want to upgrade that, we have to pay again >< via taxes..

All this "upto" 100mbs is nonsense, we all know what that means in real terms. Unless they put fibre to the doorstep it's going to become redundant tech very fast. In 10-20 years time it will be foolish to have to dig up places and lay new fibre everywhere.
 
Hint: they're wiring the cabinets so they can shove it down the pipe your phone line uses in 5 years time.
 
not that i know a lot of things but the government took over the roll out in sweden as most people have 100mb to home? up and down? or at the very least 10mb up down?

anyone explain?

also there are a lot of far poorer countries like lithuania? with better internet that us?

IIRC a lot of the countries (especially poorer ones) that are now approaching/beating the speeds we can get (nationally*), have basically bypassed about 70 years of infrastructure, and gone straight from little or no infrastructure, to infrastructure intended from the outset to deal with modern needs (as opposed to it being intended for basic voice, then fax).

If you're putting down the basis of a phone/comms system for the first time it make sense to do the best you can (the extra cost is relatively small if done during the initial setup), the cost of doing it later can be almost as much as starting from scratch.
We're at least partly at a disadvantage in that we've got a working system already in place, so there isn't a pressing need to replace everything (some councils for example make it very hard/expensive to dig up the roads/streets unless something goes wrong).
Just think of the complaints when NTL were digging up the roads, or when the Gas/Electricity/Water boards dig up the roads ;)
If you don't have the service already, that inconvenience doesn't get anything like the complaints/opposition.


It's good to hear that BT are going to fibre up more houses than the initial bunch, although I suspect the ones they will be doing will be those where it's easiest/cheapest and will likely get them the best return for the money (not something anyone can really fault a private company for doing).


Caged, VM's network may still be copper for the last mile, but it's very different copper to the stuff used for phone lines, and largely in ducting already, so it's much better placed for high speeds to begin with, and probably considerably easier to replace with fibre when the time comes (assuming the ducting isn't damaged), not to mention they also have the option of many more powered local cabinets (so often the last mile is potentially much less than that).


*It is worth noting that a lot of countries that have higher "headline" speeds than we do, either don't have them nationally or possibly even a lower national average (it depends on how you compare the speeds, by what is available on average, in a single major city, or cities and towns).
 
You act like BTs stuff is just thrown into the ground :p I know the difference between co-ax and twisted pair and that the cable line length is reduced by a lot because of the cabinets. I was responding to the post which seemed to think that BT were the only people left using copper conductors.
 
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4067-openreach-fttc-upstream-speed-increase.html
This seems to suggest openreach will be renting the fibre lines out at £88 a year.
Also this reveals that fttc products will be 40 down 10 up.
Also for fttp products the rent varies from £175 to £255 a year.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/...es-more-price-information-for-fttp-pilot.html
So looks like other ISPs will be able to take advantage of this as mentioned by the thinkbroadband article in the second link.
Would be interesting to compare to ADSL2+ rental charges and find the premium for fibre.
It's about £14 per year at the moment for a standard line from BT OpenReach to BT Wholesale. So a copper line has to be 'without fault' for 5 years or more to turn a profit for OpenReach. This price is set by Ofcom.
Then BT Wholesale sells it on for about £82 per year to LLU providers. This is rising to about £91 per year in 2010.

We're talking a price difference from about £7.50~ per month to £14 - £21 for FTTP in that case. That's a pretty healthy profit margin :]
These prices are not set nor regulated by Ofcom, on top of the subsidies it is receiving, it finally decided to pull it's finger out and start laying fibre.
 
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