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Missing.String said:
Provided you're willing to serve equal time for peeling someone's face off, sure.
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so you're against the death penalty too then?
allI'm saying is there are sick ******** in this world who deserve to have their human rights removed as they clearly have no respect for others rights of life, I'm honestly not a violent person and for the most part easy going, but it riles me up something chronic when something like this happens, imagine if it were your kid some freak was messing with, and as Begbie said, there are too many getting off with light sentances for a crime deserving of it, and as I said, I'm not looking for death or mutilation of everyone who commits a crime, just in the serious cases where it's undesputable that the party is guilty of such a heinous crime
 
My views on criminals don't tend to be in the majority.

I'm all for rehabilitation. If you can take a criminal and later release them as a useful member of society then I'm all for that.

There does need to be a punishment as a deterrant. The rehabilitation should probably serve as that. For minor driving offences the points on the licence or having to take the test again serves. For serious crimes years in prison being rehabilitated will serve. For individuals who commit utter attrocities I don't believe any deterrant will ever actually work.

For people who commit an act so inhuman that it's deemed that rehabilitation is not possible then that's where we should wash our hands of them. I simply refuse to pay to house them in prison for the rest of their days. Effectively someone in society has to work for free to look after the convict. If there is no prospect of rehabilitation then remove them from society. That means we either have some sort of "convict island" or we kill them. I suspect a convict island would be a punishment too cruel and unusual to be used, so death penalty.

As for the difference between "attempted murder" and "murder" I see none. The victim of crime should have no impact on what happens to the criminal. It's just as bad in my opinion for someone to drive drunk past a school at 3.15pm as it is for someone to do the same and hit a child. It's just chance if a child is killed or not. Criminal justice should not depend on chance.

Equally I simply don't care about what outraged relatvies, or keyboard warriors, or The Sun, or such like say about what should happen to criminals. That should have no influence on the courts. Either a curtailment of liberties/financial punishment and rehabilitation or death penalty. That's that.
 
mac1st3 said:
so you're against the death penalty too then?
allI'm saying is there are sick ******** in this world who deserve to have their human rights removed as they clearly have no respect for others rights of life, I'm honestly not a violent person and for the most part easy going, but it riles me up something chronic when something like this happens, imagine if it were your kid some freak was messing with, and as Begbie said, there are too many getting off with light sentances for a crime deserving of it, and as I said, I'm not looking for death or mutilation of everyone who commits a crime, just in the serious cases where it's undesputable that the party is guilty of such a heinous crime
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Criminal justice should never be done to make you feel better. Additionally while I share your outrage and disgust about these types of crimes, it is inhuman to torture, regardless of the reason behind it.
 
mac1st3 said:
I just mean in cases like this torturing the **** would be a better alternative to death, peel his face off or something and let him live out his days branded for everyone to see, for what he is, and in constant agony, for the most part, prison is fine, death penalty for some, but a few extreme cases, deserve much worse
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You've proved the OP's point nicely. :rolleyes:
 
Andelusion said:
Cut off his **** :)
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Despite what I said above... I might actually agree with you here.

There's a very strong arguement that paedos and rapists have a mental illness, and by removing their genitals they become harmless. This is both a punishment and rehabilitation, and allows them to be released harmless to society.

If you want to talk about a very difficult subject - and most people turn on SuperSoaraway Sun mode instead...

What about adults who are extremely sexually attracted to children? What should be done with them? They have committed no crime and cannot help their desires. I would imagine that since many paedos were absued as children then many of these people, it could be argued, are victims too. They were abused as children and now find children attractive.

What is to be done about them? They're dangerous... if they ever give into their urges.. but it's not correct to take any action against them.
 
toon_mad said:
what a freak, they should cut his bits off with a rusty saw
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Yeah. Absolutely. Whenever someone is accused of a crime and it looks like they probably did it, let's torture and mutilate them.

How about you do it. How about you're given a licence to do whatever you want by the government, and you can go about multiating and torturing anyone based on what you read in the papers. How about that for a justice system?
 
isnt it so easy for someone to claim they have mental illness blah blah, theres no excuse for it, just look at the fat woman who was messing with the toddlers at little teds, she should be burned alive, people like that have no empaphy for the peoples lives they destroy, they are the lowest of the low, bottom of the food chain in american prisons - and most likely all prisons.

scum, every single one of them
 
Copying Feek's excellent idea, keyboard ready...

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well, ther's fair points being made all round, so I agree with the majority of points you've made Halk,yes I'm letting emotions get the better of me, but I don't read newspapers, very rarely get involved in "news" threads or anything else, so my views aren't skewed by the media, as I said, I'm not a violent or agressive person and if there's a chance for rehabilitation, I'm all for that, but as you said yourself, if there's someone so horrendous, we should remove them from society.

anyway, I've said all that I had to say, and so I'll leave to make room for more sensible comments than my own ;)
 
I'm all for rehabilitation, of course if something could be done/recognised beforehand to stop these sicko's then it can only be a good thing and save more children being abused - on the other hand, as a parent if I saw one of these people in real life I don't think I could control myself.
 
Wondered how long it'd be before the dirty keyboards comments. I even thought about getting a clean one out, just for you. :p

It's very well used and I have no sensible way to clean it. I'm sure it'll die eventually and then I've got a new one to get dirty. :D

PS - Looks much worse in that photo than it actually is.
 
Leviathon said:
I'm all for rehabilitation, of course if something could be done/recognised beforehand to stop these sicko's then it can only be a good thing and save more children being abused - on the other hand, as a parent if I saw one of these people in real life I don't think I could control myself.
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If someone touched my 2 year old neice I would see red. I do not know what I am really capable of, but I hope I never find out. I'm pretty certain I'd end up in prison if I was able to get near them.

That doesn't justify it though in any way. In a way I'd be just as bad as the person who claims "not to be able to help themselves" around children.

But what you're saying is something can be done beforehand to these sickos. That's the problem, how do we justify doing something to someone who is innocent in the eyes of the law? Are we to imprison people because they would steal money if they were presented with an opportunity large enough? It's a very difficult subject and I don't have the answer. Sure some would voluntarily hand themselves in for chemical castration, for example. But as a society what right to we have to compel someone to do it just because they might commit a crime later?
 
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