Oh, that's not just because you can't stand me?
Thanks for the pop-philosophy lesson; it is after-all a past-time of mine. Seek knows what level I'm communicating to him on - I'm not being patronising, I'm arguing a point. If we were to argue absolutes on every given topic we'd never finish and that's why posters tend to grant leeway on the issue, unless of course they've simply got an axe to grind, like you.
Go away you annoying little troll.
Now there's no need to be so rude is there.
My experience is not absolute, it's subjective. Any intelligent person on the board can quite happily tell you that. However, based on my own primary experience - this is about as close to fact as one can hope to come.
No, not really. 'As close to fact as one can hope to come' should never consist solely of just your own experience, unless that is nobody you've spoken with can offer their thoughts and opinions on the same experience. But then this is exactly what this forum/thread are for - listening to each others opinions and thoughts and offering our own. Not stating our own as resolute fact. Your stated opinion may well be based on dozens of your friends sharing the same experience of graduate employment, but you don't offer it as that - in fact you do the opposite and seem to draw on just your 'primary experience'.
I haven't got an axe to grind. I certainly don't
hate you (I'd be a sad person if some strangers views on a relatively innocuous matter actually made me hate them). I do however find you quite painfully condescending/patronising in a large number of your posts, but then, I also find some of your posts quite funny. We're human, we're allowed to take issue with how each other comes across. There's no need to get so worked up about it.
What I took issue with is the following two snippets:
The traditional graduate-job market may aswell be non-existant at the moment and local industry tends to not give a crap. Graduates are between a rock and a hard place (more so if they're from poorer demographics), and that I'm afraid really is the reality.
Despite what you say, you offer your opinion as '
reality' (though perhaps on reflection I was being a bit pedantic with your choice of words).
seek, I will put it as plainly as possible for you: you are mistaken about how far a degree will get you at present.
This is the bit that comes across as condescending. "I will put it plainly as possible for you" - why? Because he's so stupid he wouldn't understand it otherwise? That may well not be how you meant it, but it's how it come across to me. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, perhaps you were simply being friendly (for all I know you may be best friends in real life), or perhaps you don't realise that it comes across as condescending.
This feeling of you coming across as condescending isn't helped by lines such as:
Any intelligent person on the board can quite happily tell you that.
The implication being that I'm of lesser intelligence than you or anyone else on this board?
Go away you annoying little troll.
The implication being that I'm a
little 'troll', annoying you with my stupidity, and you have the intellectual high-ground over me?
The boy wants his life back,[...]
[...]so what if the boy has a degree
The boy? From what I can gather, you're not much older than 'the boy' - do you not see how referring to someone as 'the boy' can come across as condescending/belittling? He has just finished his degree - he is not a boy.
If someone younger than 50 called me boy, I know it would grate on me, and I'd imagine it would on a lot of other people too. The last time I think I heard someone directly refer to someone as 'boy' was either Scrooge shouting "you boy!" at the little boy outside his window on Christmas morning to get him to fetch him the turkey, or maybe in Oliver Twist. Granted, it's not as bad as calling him sunshine, but then you've called me that in the past
As I've said, perhaps I could be reading too much into what you write. Where you come from, referring to another man as a boy may well be the norm or a term of endearment. But then, if I'm left thinking what I do after reading your posts, perhaps you're not taking enough care about how you're writing.
Why did you think I mentioned poorer demographics? It is because I was acknowledging that some come out of university and due to their luck and circumstance will always land on their feet. It's another truth to the story, but it is not the rule.
I realise that, and note that I didn't say "Seek's right and you aren't", I agreed with your following line:
A degree will only pay-off once a few initial hurdles (this being one of them) has been overcome.
However, it's the rest of your post I take issue with. And stop being so defensive.
Ninja-edit: It was 'The Rock': "I'm gonna take pleasure in guttin you, boy".
Edit 2: I'll leave this thread for fear of seriously derailing it (apologies to the OP/Dons). To the OP: I'm a firm believer in you get back what you put in, I know it sounds simplistic but as a general rule I've found it to be a good one. I'm also a believer in the old adage "half of everything is luck". My first 'proper' job, I got the interview by luck, but got the job through hard work. Stick at it - you'll get a foot in the door eventually. Take stock in the fact that there's hundreds of other people going through the same thing.
Edit 3: I just noted that you say in the OP:
So all i've done since june is basically sit at home 24/7 with nothing to do
That's not a good use of time. Whatever interests you, pursue it. As you've said, you could join a club/society, so do so - stupid things like that could mean you meet a person who gets you an interview...
