RFID chips, here they come!

[Radiation]

Ok.

Care to explain?

Because if you're saying we must take this as it is without checking the persons credibility , you must have proof either for or against his arguments.

So enlighten us.

Me i prefer to see if the person is worth the hassle of disproving or backing before i try.

Yeah well you can take that for what it is, that's for teki or the other guy to explain.

There is the problem of sorting the reasonable from the rubbish sometimes.

So you oppose birth certificates too then?

Or national security numbers?

I wouldn't oppose that or even chips if i knew we were living in a far more civilised world, however i see the signs of the times and so such things look like they're creeping toward something bad, little things like this are all just part of that.

 

[Glaucus]

I'm going to scan job applicants for family history of heart disease, then collect all their pension money when they drop dead at 65!

*Rubs hands together in glee*

Ooh ooh, and scan strangers in the street and announce their private medical conditions to everyone! Tee hee! Everyone will know you have piles!

Exempt in most cases it doesn't work like that. All depends how it would be implemented. With animals it is no more than a serial number which without access to the database is pretty worthless.

With everyones medical records going on line, his is a very good way. Of identifying people and getting the correct medical records.

 

[platypus]

With everyones medical records going on line, his is a very good way. Of identifying people and getting the correct medical records.

Until of course those medical records are available to insurance companies.

 

[platypus]

And that's your choice, but if your card is lost. Thrown out of the car into a hedge or something. But RFID do have a significant value and reason.

And what would happen to me or someone similar before the magic of RFID? Oh, right. exactly what has been happening for centuries - except now ofc they can identify blood type very quickly.

 

[Glaucus]

Until of course those medical records are available to insurance companies.

Which a the moment can't happen thanks to data protection laws and the RFID does not change the facts. Nore does it going online change the facts. If the laws where changed, insurance companies could have got copies of the paper ones.

And what would happen to me or someone similar before the magic of RFID? Oh, right. exactly what has been happening for centuries - except now ofc they can identify blood type very quickly.

It's not just bloody type, it's medical conditions, prescribed drugs. It will increase your chance of survival and chance of full recovery. You can not dispute this.

If you have no medical conditions and not on any prescribed drugs. Then there it is of little benefit. But oh wait it is not being forced. It's not even available yet.

 

[Tefal]

Until of course those medical records are available to insurance companies.

That could happen without the rfid...


what's it got to do with anything?

 

[Glaucus]

what's it got to do with anything?

Irrational fear and not understanding the technology.

 

[platypus]

Which a the moment can't happen thanks to data protection laws and the RFID does not change the facts. Nore does it going online change the facts. If the laws where changed, insurance companies could have got copies of the paper ones..

Right. It can't happen. That is, of course, until the law is amended so that it can happen.

How old was the statute for a right to trial by a jury of ones peers? Or the freedom of speech? Or Habeas Corpus? What makes you think any government won't trample over the relatively newborn European Act of Human Rights if it serves their interest?

 

[Glaucus]

Right. It can't happen. That is, of course, until the law is amended so that it can happen.

But as I said what relevance has this got to rfid or medical records going online? None, zero zip.

How old was the statute for a right to trial by a jury of ones peers? Or the freedom of speech? Or Habeas Corpus? What makes you think any government won't trample over the relatively newborn European Act of Human Rights if it serves their interest?

Nothing and if it happens I will resist it. Just like I hate terrorist laws. but there's far to many people who think they are a good idea. But again the two are totally non related.

 

[platypus]

Irrational fear and not understanding the technology.

Your naivety is what is blinding you.

I understand the technology awfully well thanks. Probably better then you, given that I work with it, and have been researching its more..unethical uses for quite a while.

 

[platypus]

But as I said what relevance has this got to rfid or medical records going online? None, zero zip.

Nothing and if it happens I will resist it. Just like I hate terrorist laws. but there's far to many people who think tehy are a good idea.

You're either being obtuse purposefully, or just didn't spot the rather obvious point of my post.

Here it is spelt out for you: given the governments record of amending laws and ignoring legislation to suit their means, what is to stop them outsourcing this RFID business and selling access to - as an obvious example - insurance companies in, say, ten years time?

 

[Tefal]

Your naivety is what is blinding you.

I understand the technology awfully well thanks. Probably better then you, given that I work with it, and have been researching its more..unethical uses for quite a while.

So please tel us how thei technology affects insurance companies being granted access to your current medical records?

 

[Glaucus]

You're either being obtuse purposefully, or just ignoring the rather obvious point of my post.

What point? the point if they change the law? Well if they change the law they could lock us all up, force us to do anything. this technology is not connected with law changes.

Your naivety is what is blinding you.

.

What naivety? I'm against the national ID cards, I am against terrorist laws. taht allow you to be locked up for x-days without being charged.


or is it your lack of medical knowledge and the point you are blinded so you can not see how full medical details on the spot can save lives and improve recovery.

 

[Tefal]

Right. It can't happen. That is, of course, until the law is amended so that it can happen.

How old was the statute for a right to trial by a jury of ones peers? Or the freedom of speech? Or Habeas Corpus? What makes you think any government won't trample over the relatively newborn European Act of Human Rights if it serves their interest?

So how does the rfid affect this at all?

You tried to imply that it is the rfid or electronic medical record that will allow insurance companies to have access to them.

 

[platypus]

So please tel us how thei technology affects insurance companies being granted access to your current medical records?

I don't recall saying it does. Having a chip implanted inside you that is easy for pretty much anyone to read however would have severe security implications. No?

 

[Al Vallario]

Don't want all my details implanted in me arm... wont take long for some yobbo on the street to create a scanner than skims my id and all my stuffs gone... etcetc minorityreport etc
hehe.

Just wait until the shops work out how to read this too.. Minority report advertising anyone?

what use would that be depending what info is on it. If it's just medical details. Then what they going to do.

I'm going to scan job applicants for family history of heart disease, then collect all their pension money when they drop dead at 65!

*Rubs hands together in glee*

Ooh ooh, and scan strangers in the street and announce their private medical conditions to everyone! Tee hee! Everyone will know you have piles!

Goodness me.

In the case of the VeriChip RFID implementation (i.e. the one featured in the first video), all that is stored on the RFID chip is an unintelligible 16-digit unique ID number. A small number of authorised persons can then look up that ID number on an external database using a secure log-on system to access your medical details.

People aren't able to just walk past you in the street and glean all your medical records with an RFID scanner.

 

[platypus]

People aren't able to just walk past you in the street and glean all your medical records with an RFID scanner.

Not everybody, no.

 

[Glaucus]

I don't recall saying it does. Having a chip implanted inside you that is easy for pretty much anyone to read however would have severe security implications. No?

NO, how is a serial number security risk. your arguments are floored. Will you at least finally admit, that full medical records will help to save lives and aid recovery.

Not everybody, no.

Only people with access to the database. If they have access to the database. then they don't need the ID. They could just do a name search. If that way inclined. Or in the paper system, they would have the required authority to phone up and get the info. But good thing about computers, is databases are programmed to keep records of who has viewed and any changes. Something a paper system is not.

 

[Tefal]

I don't recall saying it does. Having a chip implanted inside you that is easy for pretty much anyone to read however would have severe security implications. No?

No the chip would only contain serial number.

they don't have the capacity to contain all your info iirc.

But what does this have to do with insurance companies?

if the law changed so they could see your medical records they'd just go get the from the nhs/doctor rather than covertly read your chip.

Until of course those medical records are available to insurance companies.

See what's that got to do with rfid or electronic storage of medical records?

 

[platypus]

NO, how is a serial number security risk. your arguments are floored. Will you at least finally admit, that full medical records will help to save lives and aid recovery.

Yep, I've never denied that.

The worry for me is that it won't just be a serial number.