RFID chips, here they come!

AcidHell2 said:
except all that is already available and is how it works. How do you get cash? through a chip. Cash means nothing. You don't just magic cash up from no where.

And guess what these things do not happen and cannot happen with out a massive change in law. that is when we protest if they try changing the law. the fact the data is on a rfid chip rather than on something like a debit card, is neither here nore there.
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I think what it is that RFID chips is seen by people that 'powers that be' are being able to track your movements constantly as you're on a grid then. With cash cards you're only 'located' when you use it, otherwise you're invisible. RFID changes that.
 
AcidHell2 said:
No it doesn't, don't be so silly. unless they stall an antenna every few meters. Which would be astronomically expensive and of course ake a lot of space up.
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It doesn't mean that tech can't be improved. I'm reluctant too when it comes to the 'OMFG teh govermint is triyng to contrul us!', but I'm just as interested in the technology used in this. What if it can be bounced of mobile phone towers or hooked up to mobile signal flying around everywhere.
 
regulus said:
It doesn't mean that tech can't be improved.
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They are unpowered and work be receiving a maching radio wave. It only works within a few feet and the very small ones which is what is used is a few Inches. Even the large ones which use batterys only work at a few meters. There is not enough power for the device to send out a high powered signal.
 
Yes, for now. Again, it doesn't mean it can't be improved. It's not like we've reached the pinacle of RFID development and what we have now is as good as it's going to get.
 
AcidHell2 said:
No it doesn't, don't be so silly. unless they stall an antenna every few meters. Which would be astronomically expensive and of course ake a lot of space up.
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Or you make a small portable scanner for less than $100 that can read passive RFID chips (Short range ones without a battery) from about half a meter away, take a wander down a busy high street to harvest a few hundred chip ID's and become anyone you want too. (Source)
 
Burnsy2023 said:
How have people got that it 'will become compulsory' in their head? There's not even a sliver of evidence to back that.
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I doubt many people have that in their head. They are more concerned of being tracked and having their movements and whereabouts watched. I'm not saying it can be done, I'm saying that is what people seems to be worried about.
 
regulus said:
I doubt many people have that in their head. They are more concerned of being tracked and having their movements and whereabouts watched. I'm not saying it can be done, I'm saying that is what people seems to be worried about.
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So why is it a problem if you can just opt out?
 
Burnsy2023 said:
So why is it a problem if you can just opt out?
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Because it becomes a necessity and rather impossible to go without ...... but you can still opt out off course. I suppose an analogy can be made with the fact that it's optional to have a job, but almost impossible to go without one, regardless whether you like going to work or not. Or, you may not liking using public transport but you have no choice as you can't afford your own car.
 
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A thought...

How many people in this thread who are anti-RFID carry around an iPhone/Hero/whatever with location services turned on?

Even if you don't, if you carry a mobile at all then it's far easier to track you with that then it is ever likely to be with current RFID technology.
 
True, but many people also carry PAYG phones which is about anonymous as it comes for this tech. I'd imagine every implanted RFID chip would carry some sort of signature with your face on it.
 
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regulus said:
True, but many people also carry PAYG phones which is about anonymous as it comes for this tech.
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Easy ways to track down a PAYG phone - has it ever been topped up with a credit/debit card? Did you register name/address when setting it up? Did you give out your name/address when buying it? If all that fails then there's one more option (which takes a lot of time but isn't implausible) - where does it spend most time?

My phone is PAYG, but I have no doubt it's traceable as I've probably done all of the above.
 
I suppose your last point is valid. As for using debit/credit cards, if I was actively trying to get off the grid or take my privacy a bit more serious, using cards is the last thing I would do. Giving your real name and address is not required when buying a PAYG sim and if so, fake it.
 
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