If Royal Mail went on strike permenantly

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I said to my mate that we would find other ways to deal with it, businesses would find new couriers and other businesses would start emerging to deal with all the usual RM post.

He said that it would take months, even years to train new people, set up distribution centres etc and so it would be easier to give them what they wanted.

RM (and other compaines like council bin men, firefighters, hospital staff etc) are only abusing their position because they know that the system would fail if they went on strike. Its not like it is a skilled job, sorting and delivering a parcel, or emptying bins.

What would happen if all of royal mail permanently went on strike?
 
On strike permanently? That doesn't make sense.

But if they went out of business, then I'd imagine the companies taking over would re-hire the already trained staff.
 
Guest2 said:
IRM (and other compaines like council bin men, firefighters, hospital staff etc) are only abusing their position because they know that the system would fail if they went on strike. Its not like it is a skilled job, sorting and delivering a parcel, or emptying bins.
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Or they could genuinely belive they are standing up for themselves and not letting their employers screw them over.

Just a thought.
 
TNT already want it opened up so they can take on normal postal service while the strike is on, probably with a view to keep it going.

In the recent wake of events, I'm all for it.
 
wordy said:
Or they could genuinely belive they are standing up for themselves and not letting their employers screw them over.

Just a thought.
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They genuinely probably do.

But when they get nearly 100,000 people applying for strike-breaking positions, well that would unease me abit. They aren't being particularly accute in demands and grasp of their market, and haven't supported other unions in their pickets/strikes. Their service has got worse for years, thats both personal and business/work experience.

So **** em.
 
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TNT have stated that during this strike if allowed they will deliver the mail, exactly how the logistics of this will work is another matter. This cant happen again where employees of one company can hold the whole country back like this, the sooner the post is distributed across various private companies the better.
 
From what I understand Royal Mail staff want to stop Royal Mail from modernising. Surely that's only a good thing from the customers view point. I mean the costs of stamps have gone up phenomenly in the last couple of years so you want a reliable, quick and efficient delivery if you're paying over the odds for it.

I have no objection to other companies getting in on the postal service as it's a monopoly at present. Suprised the EU haven't fined them for something.

It would be very hard to do as RM have the keys and the little red post boxes. If there were green post boxes up though and it cost the same but from a different company - I'd be certainly looking at using that service.



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m4cc45 said:
It would be very hard to do as RM have the keys and the little red post boxes. If there were green post boxes up though and it cost the same but from a different company - I'd be certainly looking at using that service.
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Thats the trouble though Royal Mail are bound by law to provide a universal service at a set price to every home in the UK, any competitor is not going to be willing or able to offer this. Private companies would cherry pick the best most profitable post for example stuff that is posted in London to other London addresses leaving those in rural comunities cut off from an affordable post service.

I don't support the strikes particualarly but the managment at Royal Mail are as much at fault as the posties and there is no viable alternative available to offer a universal domestic post service.
 
Then someone would re-hire the old staff, buy out the old distribution centres and disband all the unions.

And please, please let it happen.
 
Royal mail is unsustainable as it stands - they have to modernise. If that means job losses or changes in practices then that's just tough. Adapt or die.
 
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This cant happen again where employees of one company can hold the whole country back like this, the sooner the post is distributed across various private companies the better.
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Unless the employees are bankers and the companies are banks, in which case, they can have whatever they want, including fat bonuses :rolleyes:
 
stockhausen said:
Unless the employees are bankers and the companies are banks, in which case, they can have whatever they want, including fat bonuses :rolleyes:
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Well that is always a risk with privatisation, but if the Government privatises a national institution right for once and places preceded contractual limits on wage structuring and bonuses then a fiasco like the bank bonuses will be avoided. A proposal like this cant be rushed and must be done properly and fairly to the consumer otherwise we may end up paying £1 for a first class letter just to line the pockets of the fat cats in charge. :mad:
 
Fishfingers said:
A proposal like this cant be rushed and must be done properly and fairly to the consumer otherwise we may end up paying £1 for a first class letter just to line the pockets of the fat cats in charge. :mad:
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If RM staff were instantly given pay rises, say 10k each, then wouldnt everyone end up paying more tax anyway as RM is owned by the government?

I know little about economics but i thought that if something like RM wages increased the public would have to put up more money to pay them.
Same goes for if other companies took over RM then taxes would stay the same but we might have to pay £1 for a 1st class stamp

So it all sort of levels out
 
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If RM staff were instantly given pay rises, say 10k each, then wouldnt everyone end up paying more tax anyway as RM is owned by the government?

I know little about economics but i thought that if something like RM wages increased the public would have to put up more money to pay them.
Same goes for if other companies took over RM then taxes would stay the same but we might have to pay £1 for a 1st class stamp

So it all sort of levels out
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If we gave all RM workers a 10k pay rise now, you can bet your ass they'll strike again in 6 months time demanding another 10k.
 
Guest2 said:
If RM staff were instantly given pay rises, say 10k each, then wouldnt everyone end up paying more tax anyway as RM is owned by the government?

I know little about economics but i thought that if something like RM wages increased the public would have to put up more money to pay them.
Same goes for if other companies took over RM then taxes would stay the same but we might have to pay £1 for a 1st class stamp

So it all sort of levels out
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a 10k payrise each seems very excessive, surely if they do get payrises then the money would have to be found from other areas of Royal Mails budget, or if the Government is forced to get involved by inputting more money in RM then it would come from a different area of the budget, a little from here and little from there and not require a tax increase to subsidise this. Them striking should not affect the tax payer, its not our fault that they dont get paid what they think they deserve.

Also with the amount of mail that gets opened by Royal Mail employees in sorting offices taking out posted money and gifts, surely that covers their wage demands anyway :p
 
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The problem is, if they do privatise it, in 10 years time we'll be paying £5 to post a postcard. When the british gov privatise anything, we always get screwed.
 
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