I had a go at some kid in the street

[Luseac]

Yea massive congrats about standing up to a kid???????????

No, not "massive congrats"... Well done for doing the right thing. It really is remarkable at how petty people can get over such a trivial matter. But make no mistake, the OP did the right thing.

Perhaps you would like to go and visit some of GD's other fantastic threads as this one is obviously so pointless. A quick look reveals a thread on whether to keep the fridge door open, a thread on McDonalds and someone wanting helping with a new dog. Exciting stuff

 

[AHarvey]

I dont belive this.

Im sure everyone has dropped something in their lives.

I haven't, the closest I get to dropping litter is maybe throwing an odd apple core in to a field if I am out walking etc.

I was always told as a kid that you just don't do it and I never have.

I am not goody goody, we all break laws but littering is something I don't do.

As for the OP, nothing wrong with telling a kid to pick up litter, I told some lad not to climb a wall at the end of my nans road because it is unsafe. He huffed and puffed and walked around which would have taken a whole 2 mins. It's good for adults to lead by example. The reason the country is in such a bad state with the younger generations is because of the lack of people willing to stand up to them. However, yes, the OP was written in a rather over dramatised way which resulted in the constant bickering.

 

[.Lethal]

Read this thread from page three:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17985578&page=3

My eventual response:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17985913

Had a check through that thread and ended up spending ages reading most of them.

A little harsh, but meh

This one had me laughing out loud.

 

[SHEDDER1uk]

5 pages for a dropped coke can people boared much

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Looking through this thread I don't think most have a problem with asking a 12 year old nicely to pick litter up and even offer a solution which I have done myself.
The problem is how he looked at the 12 year old showing him he meant business.
Perhaps that bit was exaggerated.
I've always found in life that you treat people how you expect to be treated and age doesn't come into it.

 

[arknor]

same, all parents should teach their kids to be even a tad bit civilized.

how old are you lot?

in the 90's it was quite common to just drop a crisp packet or can instead of finding a bin.

i guess these days with bins on almost every corner in some areas its not accepable though but in my day it was what nearly everyone did.

i think that was before fines were introduced for littering aswell, im not sure if tipping even had fines back then (though it was illegal)

i think littering was seen as a nuisance not a crime

 

[ntg]

No but it proves its inconsistent which is enough for me.

It does not prove it is inconsistent, it's just that there are many factors that can lead to criminal behaviour. I never said that AB is the only reason why people become criminals (perhaps I came across as if I supported that), or that all criminals have had a past of AB. I support that AB has strong links to future criminal behaviour. You might be experiencing a high level of criminal activity in your area that is not linked to AB but that does not prove that AB does not lead to criminal activity.

Drugs may be involved but I don't see how because my particular area is full of Tory voting old people (i.e. young people aren't hanging around on corners dealing) and there aren't many kids/teenagers about at all. A burglary that I know was commited to a family friend sounded like it was done by so-called professional thieves i.e. it was done during the middle of the day, they commited the act very clinically as if they'd never been there, etc.

Well I can't speculate on what could be causing this (it would be pointless since I have no experience of your area anyway) but what you mention points out to other directions such as professional thief gangs etc.

The point is we get crime, its just for different reasons. I would class stealing from a car a crime though, above anti-social behaviour.

I agree on the first part there, which does not disprove that AB is not one of the reasons that lead to crime. As for classifications and definitions I would rather not venture there as it is rather semantics than essense.

I would simply make the argument that there is more of a link between crime and poverty in general.

Definitely agree on that, still does not disprove my original argument but rather supports it as I see poverty strongly correlated with AB. I would imagine AB is just the precursor to criminal behaviour for the majority of cases.

I think we agree more than we disagree.

 

[ntg]

5 pages for a dropped coke can people boared much

I am not sure what exactly you are trying to say. However it's not 5 pages for a dropped coke can - if you actually read all the discussion you might find some interesting debate on whether antisocial behaviour leads to crime or not.

 

[ntg]

i think that was before fines were introduced for littering aswell, im not sure if tipping even had fines back then (though it was illegal)

Is it just me or is it that when you penalise something with a fine (or criminalise it) the social responsiblity of the local communities is shifted somehow to the policing body responsible to hand out fines? I feel that once you criminalise littering suddenly people can't be bothered to self-police their local areas anymore and devolve responsibility to the police only.

 

[Kutter]

I,m 39 and i was taught at an early age not to drop litter. Theres no need for it.

Well done OP. This country needs more respect.

 

[Merlin5]

The problem is how he looked at the 12 year old showing him he meant business.
Perhaps that bit was exaggerated.

If it sounded exaggerated it was to make a point and here's why. The sad fact is that age is almost totally irrelevant in an era where the very youngest of kids will quite happily pull knifes out on people more frequently and more easily than has ever been known before, just for saying 'boo!' to them. Gun crime has gone up by 17% since about april. People think me 'standing up' to some 12 year old is like stealing candy from a baby, yet most peope WON'T stand up to a 12 year old in case of the repercussions. What if the kid pulls a knife? A gun? Or what if he decides to use physical violence, you gonna fight a 12 year old back? You can't, and all those possibilities are very common today because there's no respect from kids anymore. When I was at school, if some one in the class did something wrong and didn't admit it, the whole class would get the cane or the slipper. Now people think that if you so much as just tell a kid off it's cruel, lol. If you decide you're going to confront something that could potentially get out of hand or be dangerous, then it's best to be as assertive and confident as possible in the hope that you get the upper hand straight away, be it a 12 year old or a 40 year old, and that was my point.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

If it sounded exaggerated it was to make a point and here's why. The sad fact is that age is almost totally irrelevant in an era where the very youngest of kids will quite happily pull knifes out on people more frequently and more easily than has ever been known before, just for saying 'boo!' to them. Gun crime has gone up by 17% since about april. People think me 'standing up' to some 12 year old is like stealing candy from a baby, yet most peope WON'T stand up to a 12 year old in case of the repercussions. What if the kid pulls a knife? A gun? Or what if he decides to use physical violence, you gonna fight a 12 year old back? You can't, and all those possibilities are very common today because there's no respect from kids anymore. When I was at school, if some one in the class did something wrong and didn't admit it, the whole class would get the cane or the slipper. Now people think that if you so much as just tell a kid off it's cruel, lol. If you decide you're going to confront something that could potentially get out of hand or be dangerous, then it's best to be as assertive and confident as possible in the hope that you get the upper hand straight away, be it a 12 year old or a 40 year old, and that was my point.

I work with kids from age 5 to 17 and it's a shame how you are stereotyping them all.

 

[Sime]

Paedophile.

PAHHAHA!!

*Drink all over my monitor*

 

[Missing.String]

I work with kids from age 5 to 17 and it's a shame how you are stereotyping them all.

No, it's true, we're organising a revolution; we're all trained with firearms and whatever mêlée weapons are available to hand.

 

[GreatAuk]

I hate those kids that drop litter
... good on you!

Although Merlin5 I think you are exaggerating just a little.

 

[Merlin5]

I work with kids from age 5 to 17 and it's a shame how you are stereotyping them all.

There are terrific kids about, I work with them too, probably the same job as you since we're both musicians. It's not so much stereotyping them as being wary of them if I don't know them. It's not unreasonable or unrealistic to say that many of todays kids are worse behaved than kids of say 20 years ago. There's always been and always will be badly behaved kids, and well behaved kids, of course. But there hasn't always been this escalating culture of violence, guns and knives which is far more prevalent today than ever before, don't you agree with that? Surely you do? I don't agree with people that say kids are just the same as they've always been because they're not, things have changed a lot.

 

[Biohazard]

i kick kids in the teeth where ever and when ever I can