Ok let me re-word then.
What an absoloute farce this whole race debate is. We are in the 21st century and race in my eyes is the one thing that shouldn't be an issue in todays society, yet here we are.
And that isn't aimed at OcUK.
The all encompassing BNP thread - keep all crap in here.
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Ok let me re-word then.
What an absoloute farce this whole race debate is. We are in the 21st century and race in my eyes is the one thing that shouldn't be an issue in todays society, yet here we are.
And that isn't aimed at OcUK.
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Indigenous Britons do NOT exist. This is another piece of trash brought out by far right wing groups to justify their loathsome policies.
Just like Hitler and his Ayrian babblings.
Britons are a race made up of the descendants of invaders, in no particular order ....Celts, Danish and Scandinavian Vikings, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Scots(originally from Ireland), Normans, Irish, Romans with a mixture of refugees from Holland(Dutch Huguenot), French, Russians, Poland and other east Europeans and from the Commonwealth. No doubt people could add many more.
The nearest Britons get genetically to a different grouping is they come from Northern Europe stock. We are not in the same league as Maori or Aborigines.
Agreed, but that point should be made to everyone, because lets be honest, it isn't just whites who pull the race arguement/card.
I agree with you in so far as if you go far back enough most peoples are not indigenous including Maori, as we all came from africa orginally. There seems to be a cutoff point where people who have been in an area long enough are called Indigenous but this seems to vary greatly.
I was trying to find out what dd means when he refers to Indigenous Britons. The revisionist histories the BNP spout needs to be brought to light.
As for Indigenous Britons here is an interting link.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/wales/2076470.stm
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So you have to be 100% white to be indigenous in other words? What if 3 of someone's Grandparents where White British and their 4th was Black, is the grandchild not indigenous?
You are native to this country if you are born and raised here IMO.
Even so the point remains without arguing about semantics, what difference does it make if you are "indigenous" or not?
The idea that there is anything more is more of a red herring. All the other characteristics are incidental, because you can share all the others, but if your skin isn't white, you will not be classified as a white person.
QT was a complete joke. There was little reasoned debate and not enough pressure on Griffin to explain the BNP's policies in detail.
I was particularly angered at Griffin's claim that he would be happy for the non-white member of the audience stay in the country, which is in direct contradiction to his own policy.
I was particularly angered at Griffin's claim that he would be happy for the non-white member of the audience stay in the country, which is in direct contradiction to his own policy.
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I totally agree 100% with that.
One of the main reasosn why this turned into a witch hunt was because Griffin wouldnt answer accusations of racism and tried to lie to hide it. It is the Ken livingstone approach- lie to get out of trouble. Griffin kept trying to avoid questions about past actions with lies or nonsense.
The interesting thing for me was his humanity: he was petrified, he was shaking laughing nervously, trying to be accepted and failing with the farce of we can all get along. The irony is that what he was so deparate for last night is exactly the same thing he refuses to extend to certain areas of British society- acceptance.
I think his support team have been telling him his arguements are brilliant. Suddenly he got challenged by some very well informed and prepared people who had specific agendas to run through and he collapsed. His preparation was not thorough and he was woeful defending himself.
Also - what defines a white person? You cant go back 13000 years to see if they are native Britain cave dwellers so you then defer to quick and easy skin colour or religion: does an albino black person get a pass because his skin has no pigmentation and does a "native" British person who has converted to Islam get expelled too?
The interesting thing for me was his humanity: he was petrified, he was shaking laughing nervously, trying to be accepted and failing with the farce of we can all get along. The irony is that what he was so deparate for last night is exactly the same thing he refuses to extend to certain areas of British society- acceptance.
I think his support team have been telling him his arguements are brilliant. Suddenly he got challenged by some very well informed and prepared people who had specific agendas to run through and he collapsed. His preparation was not thorough and he was woeful defending himself.
Also - what defines a white person? You cant go back 13000 years to see if they are native Britain cave dwellers so you then defer to quick and easy skin colour or religion: does an albino black person get a pass because his skin has no pigmentation and does a "native" British person who has converted to Islam get expelled too?
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I haven't seen the show in it's entirety as yet but from what I have seen it looked a disgrace.
Why invite someone on to what should be an intelligent debate about serious issues just to sneer and jeer at them, that includes Dimbleby.
I find a lot of Anjum Choudhry's views equally as abhorrent as a lot of the BNP's but I doubt the BBC would dare to treat someone like him in the same way as they did Griffin.
Either be completely impartial or don't get involved.
Why invite someone on to what should be an intelligent debate about serious issues just to sneer and jeer at them, that includes Dimbleby.
I find a lot of Anjum Choudhry's views equally as abhorrent as a lot of the BNP's but I doubt the BBC would dare to treat someone like him in the same way as they did Griffin.
Either be completely impartial or don't get involved.
I think we all know what he means by indigenous britons - white English/Scottish/Welsh/Irish people. I don't know why people are arguing about what Nick Griffin means when he says indigenous people of Britain because even if you prove that he's wrong, he'll just use another term
Totally agree. When I turned on the audience was booing him so I promptly changed channels. I might give it another go on iPlayer.
The point is why does it matter, it shouldn't even need to be argued about and it is meaningless.
I'm indigenous to these shores arguably more than most, doesn't mean I feel I have any more rights than anyone else. Then why should some arbitrary line in the sand dictate membership of a political party?
the reason it turned into a lynch mob is because he either lied/denied or ignored challenges that he is inherently prejudiced against a massive sector of British society (race, sexuality). Even when faced with recordings of his comments and video evidence he proclaimed innocence.
He should have either- said "sorry I have changed and here is why..." or explained why he holds thos opinions.
Instead he just kept saying he was stitched up: Nonsense, it is on video, he couldnt or wouldnt engage in any kind of debate over it so he got lynched.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QolIvfQE
He needed to explain that.
He should have either- said "sorry I have changed and here is why..." or explained why he holds thos opinions.
Instead he just kept saying he was stitched up: Nonsense, it is on video, he couldnt or wouldnt engage in any kind of debate over it so he got lynched.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QolIvfQE
He needed to explain that.
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The point is why does it matter, it shouldn't even need to be argued about and it is meaningless.
I'm indigenous to these shores arguably more than most, doesn't mean I feel I have any more rights than anyone else. Then why should some arbitrary line in the sand dictate membership of a political party?
exactly, it doesn't matter and it shouldn't be argued about. He's just putting some veneer on saying White people only.
The line was drawn because it's not much of a Racist Party if they allow members of the races that they hate, into the party.
Because of the European law this has had to change, but i'm not sure how many African, Pakistanis, Indians, Jews etc would want to join the BNP so i'm not sure how much of a bad thing this will be for them
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Indigenous britons - Scottish, Welsh and Irish. The English I would not describe as indigenous, I would describe them as normalised. They did after all push out the Britons.