UK government to get tough on file-sharers

Robbie G said:
Yes it is stealing, as copyright infringment is a form of theft also. In practical terms there is no difference between walking into HMV and walking out with a DVD without paying for it, and downloading an AVI file of the latest film released to DVD from the internet without paying for it.
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Of course there is! *** no longer has a physical item to sell to someone, downloading a copy of the movie doesn't deprive anyone from having it, it only deprives the copyright holder of possible income from said movie had you bought it.
 
meghatronic said:
Well that would be a civil matter with the ISP. NOT a criminal one. Which was my entire point.
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I don't think anyone is saying it's a criminal issue, for a ISP to give you 3 strikes and then refuse you internet access isn't a criminal proceeding, it's a civil one.
 
and how many years are we away from getting decent speeds say through a mobile phone ?

cut u off from 1 phone...get another sim/phone :p
 
meghatronic said:
Dowling v. United States (1985)

And wiki:

"The key distinction generally drawn..... is that while copyright infringement may (or may not) cause economic loss to the copyright holder, as theft does, it does not appropriate a physical object, nor deprive the copyright holder of the use of the copyright."
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In practical terms (forgetting legal terminology), it's stealing.

arknor said:
:rolleyes:

no difference between stealing a painting and painting your own copy either?
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I didn't say there was no difference, I said in practical terms it's equivalent.
 
arknor said:
er, the average person doesnt even know how to secure a router and your expecting them to outwit the tech savvy children in the house? :rolleyes:

i have around 20gb of mp3's on my hardrive am i guilty? oh wait there ripped from my wifes cd collection and on there because rubbish itunes forces me to have every mp3 thats on her stupid ipod taking space up on my hdd.

that encrypted data could free trailers , demos , free mp3's or anything.

just because people choose not to let you see what they are downloading doesnt mean its illegal
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I understand your argument but that's a given point i have butcher knives in my draw doesn't mean a stabby murderer.

You can prove what you have done 'cos you have the original media at hand. thats 1 + 1 = 2 case closed
Epic waste of resources and investigators time but plausible
 
I ask again, isn't it more to do with file-SHARERs rather than downloaders?

Shouldn't they be looking at people's upstream, as it's the sharing of copyrighted material that is the issue, not the actual downloading?
 
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New Labour in rubbish policy shocker!

It might deter casual downloaders, but anyone with a modicum of intellect will find a way around it.

And the government can't honestly say they give a **** about the arts. One of Brown's first moves as chancellor was to remove a tax break for independant film makers in the UK, just when the industry had some promise of flourishing.

Can't wait until this shower of ***** are gone.
 
You can prove what you have done 'cos you have the original media at hand. thats 1 + 1 = 2 case closed
Epic waste of resources and investigators time but plausible
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they should have to proove im guilty, i shouldnt have to proove im innocent just because they can point a magic finger on the internet

zomg! look hes on thepiratebay a file sharing website he must be a criminail (even though some of these file sharing websites have legit uses)

mmo patchs , mmo clients etc are all on torrent sites i bet i could download tens of terrabytes of legal data and still not run out of legal stuff to download on the piratebay etc
 
krooton said:
Of course there is! HMV no longer has a physical item to sell to someone, downloading a copy of the movie doesn't deprive anyone from having it, it only deprives the copyright holder of possible income from said movie had you bought it.
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Yes so under both scenarios, the owner is potentially deprived of an economic inflow. To me this is theft. Not being labelled a thief just because you didn't steal an actual object, smacks of self-justification to me. If I was writing a dissertation, but accidentally left my PC on and unlocked and someone saved my dissertation to a USB key and passed it off as their own, they're a bloody thief end of story, and it's not even copyrighted material.
 
Robbie G said:
Yes so under both scenarios, the owner is potentially deprived of an economic inflow. To me this is theft. Not being labelled a thief just because you didn't steal an actual object, smacks of self-justification to me. If I was writing a dissertation, but accidentally left my PC on and unlocked and someone saved my dissertation to a USB key and passed it off as their own, they're a bloody thief end of story, and it's not even copyrighted material.
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Tesco is selling Jaffa Cakes 30p cheaper than Sainsburys. I go to Tesco as a result, depriving Sainsburys of economic inflow....
 
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