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5970 (5870x2) Benchmarks and Pics

Dug up my old BFG 8800GTX OC order from ******, £372.20 Inc VAT+Delivery

I orderd mine not that long after release date, probably 4-6 weeks so it would have had its initial price drop which usualy happens in the first month once stock settles down.

In perspective both my Sapphire 4870s were both £200 on launch day so I got a Crossfire solution for £400

ATI/AMD have always gone for cheaper cards but they've never really been faster than Nvidias counterparts, Nvidias fastest chip usualy beats AMD by a fair bit.

Going back a bit further I distinctly remember paying over £400 for top end cards on release day, my 7950 GX2 was a fair old whack I think in the region of £450

To be honest AMDs lower prices for decent performance is refreshing after years of buying cards, it makes crossfire solutions fantastic high end rigs, 2 4870s in crossfire was a great solution, had I spent £400 with Nvidia I wouldn't have got anywhere near that performance.

P.S One thing I will add is that exchange rates dont seem to make a big difference, hardware in the UK is just always more expensive, when I shopped around for my Dell 30" 3007 WFP-HC (which I got from overclockers in the end due to being the cheapest :D ) I paid about £820 with VAT, the american prices at the time were about $1000 which with the exchange rate at the time worked out to be about £600. We never get our hardware at straight conversion rates from the USD, our games are a testement to that, look at things like steam games many of them are overpriced even compared to store prices. Buy online somewhere like play.com and you'll get massively discouted prices which is proof they can be sold a lot cheaper.
 
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Yeah what would I know, I only bought all these cards on the day of launch.

One last question before I give up on you. Are you being delibrately dumb just to annoy me?

Please tell me why you can't understand that you paid $649 for your card?
 
I've taken a chance with ATi for a change, i've usually gone with NVIDIA for the last few years but i liked what ATi were doing with their 5800 cards, especially the price vs performance of the 5850's - so i went with two of them.

So i'm kind of expecting them to at least keep up with nvidia's lastest cards :p
 
Thats great but I paid exactly £431 on launch day for my 8800GTX, so he was nicely ripped off.

Problem is your talking to someones who bought all these cards on launch. ;)

Again, it's not relevant at what price you bought them from when you make claims such as "I don't really care what you've posted m8, but launch prices for nvidia cards have ranged from £400-450, including the 8800Ultra and NOT £500+."

That is a statement of fact from yourself, which is obviously not fact if there are people who did buy them at £500+.
 
Just been trying to find my receipt for the 8800s no joy sorry.Im absolutely positive they cost £500 on launch from ocuk though.My 7950 gx2 was around the £450 mark ashwell if i remember right.Even throughout its lifetime on sale the gtx 8800s cost more than the 5870 is now at launch price so welldone ati.
 
Dug up my old BFG 8800GTX OC order from ******, £372.20 Inc VAT+Delivery

I orderd mine not that long after release date, probably 4-6 weeks so it would have had its initial price drop which usualy happens in the first month once stock settles down.

In perspective both my Sapphire 4870s were both £200 on launch day so I got a Crossfire solution for £400

ATI/AMD have always gone for cheaper cards but they've never really been faster than Nvidias counterparts, Nvidias fastest chip usualy beats AMD by a fair bit.

Going back a bit further I distinctly remember paying over £400 for top end cards on release day, my 7950 GX2 was a fair old whack I think in the region of £450

To be honest AMDs lower prices for decent performance is refreshing after years of buying cards, it makes crossfire solutions fantastic high end rigs, 2 4870s in crossfire was a great solution, had I spent £400 with Nvidia I wouldn't have got anywhere near that performance.

P.S One thing I will add is that exchange rates dont seem to make a big difference, hardware in the UK is just always more expensive, when I shopped around for my Dell 30" 3007 WFP-HC (which I got from overclockers in the end due to being the cheapest :D ) I paid about £820 with VAT, the american prices at the time were about $1000 which with the exchange rate at the time worked out to be about £600. We never get our hardware at straight conversion rates from the USD, our games are a testement to that, look at things like steam games many of them are overpriced even compared to store prices. Buy online somewhere like play.com and you'll get massively discouted prices which is proof they can be sold a lot cheaper.


Dell are particularly bad for it, but generally what we pay in the UK is US price at UK exchange rate + VAT.
 
P.S One thing I will add is that exchange rates dont seem to make a big difference, hardware in the UK is just always more expensive, when I shopped around for my Dell 30" 3007 WFP-HC (which I got from overclockers in the end due to being the cheapest :D ) I paid about £820 with VAT, the american prices at the time were about $1000 which with the exchange rate at the time worked out to be about £600. We never get our hardware at straight conversion rates from the USD,.

Although that is true and certainly still applies to software where they just swap the $ sign for a pound sign, hardware like graphics cards equate pretty much exactly.

All the current prices of graphics cards equate directly and have done for years. On some hardware we still get raped. Prime example is the G27 steering wheel which is over £300 here yet has a list price of $293 in the states and should only be £210 inc VAT.

Your 8800GTX, which you paid £372.20 for, was $649 at launch and it was $2 to the pound when you bought it so launch price was £381 inc VAT. As you say, it had dropped by £9 by the time you bought it from the original launch price (ignoring retailers hiking the price up from list price)
 
One last question before I give up on you. Are you being delibrately dumb just to annoy me?

Please tell me why you can't understand that you paid $649 for your card?

Maybe if you lose the disrespectful tone to your posts, but as it is id prefer to ignore you.

I don't know what your point is and I don't care.
 
Maybe if you lose the disrespectful tone to your posts, but as it is id prefer to ignore you.

I don't know what your point is and I don't care.

His point is that what you pay in the UK is totally dependant on what the exchange rate is, it's all well and good to say that there's not gonna be a new nVidia card at £500+, but it's not up to you to say that.

It it retails at $650 then it'll be £470 at the current exchange rate + VAT. If it's at $800 it'll be £570 including VAT.

UK prices are dependant on US prices and t he exchange rate, nVidia don't set the prices specifically for the UK.
 
Maybe if you lose the disrespectful tone to your posts, but as it is id prefer to ignore you.

I don't know what your point is and I don't care.

My point is that for years Nvidia have launched their cards at $649 list price.

Price is always set in US dollars.

Hence with certain cards they have been £500+ cards in the uk due to the exchange rate.

I only became disrepectful after you keep ignoring my posts as you fail to see the facts and you are just ignoring all the evidence which is fact and in the public domain.

I am not disputing the prices you have paid for your cards and I have already said that list price of the 8800GTX in the uk equated to £381 so you paid and extra £50 for price gouging at launch when you paid £431.

Nividia will not alter their prices for the UK whatever the exchange rate is. The list price is the list price and if due to a weak pound that makes their new card cost £500, £600 or £700 they don't care so long as they are getting $649 per card.

So please say that you agree with this and admit that there has been £500+ cards and depending on the exchange rate when gtx300 is released there might be again.

Also what happens if VAT changes over here to say 25% and that means your £450 card becomes £495? Will you then say it's still a £450 card?
 
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Dell are particularly bad for it, but generally what we pay in the UK is US price at UK exchange rate + VAT.

Dell are only particularly bad for it, as people only really buy screens from dell(as lone components and far more frequently talked about on forums like OCUK) and vendors like Samsung charge a massively different rate for screens to be sold in the uk.

LCD companies, no idea how they get away with it, screw the UK/europe over more than anywhere else in the world, maybe purely because they can get away with it.

Prices for screens at dell vs US dell are embarassing, bar the odd special offer. I've bought the odd smaller screen like TN 20" jobbies that were sub £200 and not hugely different, but I was always put off bigger/newer/higher quality dells by the stupid prices.

The reason you get the odd weird deal on often lower quality screens like the 24" MVA's that everyone sold, were people buy screens like grey imports, to be sold elsewhere in the world and ship a large batch here(afaik) hence the prices.

Everything else is usually close, or very very close to US prices once VAT is taken into account. People also seem to ignore the fact US people do pay VAT, though there are ways around it, they just pay it very differently, are charged at a different time not at point of sale and have to file taxes once a year. Lucky if you live in a different state to say newegg, but if you live there and order from them, you end up paying sales tax, tis a fairly bizarre system but I guess necessary considering the size and varying states.

CPU's, gfx cards, mobo's and several other things have always been fairly spot on. Few things though like Foxconn had a uber cheap 790FX amd mobo, but for some reason it was available for $90 in the states, and was £190 here, not a clue why.
 
Is it me, or do all overclockers threads end in drivel and irrelevance?

I mean this started well, leaked 5970 with pics etc.

But now its decended into arguing about the costs of 8800gtxs with what reads like school children warning each other about disrespect and tone of voice etc.

Back on topic please!!!
 
His point is that what you pay in the UK is totally dependant on what the exchange rate is, it's all well and good to say that there's not gonna be a new nVidia card at £500+, but it's not up to you to say that.

I never said it was, only that this is how prices have been in the past, controversial stuff it seems. :D

It it retails at $650 then it'll be £470 at the current exchange rate + VAT. If it's at $800 it'll be £570 including VAT.

UK prices are dependant on US prices and t he exchange rate, nVidia don't set the prices specifically for the UK.

We will see won't we but based on how they have been priced in the past, the current situation with AMD's low prices and the financial problems atm I doubt will see prices that high.


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So please say that you agree with this and admit that there has been £500+ cards and depending on the exchange rate when gtx300 is released there might be again.

Also what happens if VAT changes over here to say 25% and that means your £450 card becomes £495? Will you then say it's still a £450 card?

But there havent been any cards on launch over £500 to my knowledge so how why would I admit anything? I've been buying cards on launch since the voodoo days and I've never spent more then £450 on a card.

I'm not really into speculation, but sure if it makes you happy, maybe. lol
 
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no matter how hard certain people try to derail this thread the dissapointing benchmarks wont go unnoticed.

True but there must be something wrong with the benchmarks. My 5850 scores higher in vantage than their posted result.

Nobody is going to buy a 5870x2 if it's performance is less than a 5850 so clearly the benchmakrs must be wrong.

We'll have to wait for proper reviews.

To me the results should be slightly less than two 5870 in xfire.
 
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