David Cameron to tell voters: no vote on Lisbon Treaty

[TW]Fox;15240659 said:
I cant think of anything worse than millions of people to whom who won the X Factor is the most important news in their life voting on a treaty they probably won't even read.

The result is obvious, people would vote whatever the tabloids told them to.
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Would you read all 270 pages of the Libson Treaty?
 
I agree, I think the amount of people who would vote without reading a word would be pretty high from all segments of society, it seems to be a fairly polarizing thing.
 
mattheman said:
i dont care about the billions i care about old english laws that'll be raped by the EU.
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Which ones are those? Name one 'old English' law the EU couldn't have 'raped' without the treaty. In fact, name one they haven't already 'raped'.

Cast-iron guarantees aside, Cameron & Co. have long said we could only have a referendum if the treaty wasn't already ratified. Why is this news to anyone?
 
[TW]Fox;15240698 said:
If I decided to vote on it's (sic) implementation in this country I would at least read the summary. How can you vote on something you do not understand and have not read?
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I don't need to read it all, to understand its effects.
 
I am against the death penalty as a rule, but I would bring it back for treason, so that Blair could get his just deserts.
 
I thought we still had it for treason,but it was just not used?
Annoys me no end that Blair can cause so much trouble for the UK,then just swan off to Europe scot free.
He should be in jail.
 
Tefal said:
well if you read it, it's actually because once the Czechs ratify it it would be EU law and the only way we could vote no would be to leave the EU.

The conservatives had hoped that labour would have been out of power before the Czechs had made thier desion so they could choose not to ratify it (assuming they got in).


but it looks like they won't be in power so they would be unable to change it once they got in as labour would have already signed up to it.


So there would be no treaty to vote one.



But don't let that stop you twisting it and counting on nobody reading the article ;)
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Was going to post the the exact same thing! Dave said we would get a vote on it if it was possible, now it's not.
 
Would be funny to vote on it though.The results might give the politicians a shock.Or not!
But then that would open up a whole new can of worms.
Cameron's problem was he gave a 'cast iron guarantee' and now he has to face the fallout.
 
Uther said:
I thought we still had it for treason,but it was just not used?
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Capitol punishment was removed 100% in 1999, prior to that, captiol punishment was applicable to high treason and stealing from HM dock I believe.
anticonscience said:
Not at all.
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Unfortunately, that's exactly what he's done. If we look at David Cameron's quote:

"Today, I will give this cast-iron guarantee: If I become PM a Conservative government will hold a referendum on any EU treaty that emerges from these negotiations." - David Cameron writing for the Sun.

He said NOTHING about it depending on how far through the treaty is, he did nothing other than guarantee that should he and his party win the next election, he would hold a referendum on whether the UK should sign up to the Lisbon treaty. And even so, if this is such an important issue as it is for so many people, why would we not being able to have a referendum on it? Surely it's only worth holding a referendum on issues of such importance? The little 'get out clause' was only added my Hague when it became obvious the the treaty was going to be ratified by all member states. It was a great piece of political spin... It's just hilarious that the Tories have attacked Blair and Brown (and rightfully so) for not following through with their manifesto pledge, and they've done the same thing. Great. :p
 
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They would only hold a referendum if they thought they would get the answer they wanted.Look at Ireland.First time around they said no,and rather than accept that they had another referendum.
I think they know what the results would be from the majority of the British public,which is why we are not to be trusted with a vote.
 
There should be a 5 question test on the key points of any treaty prior to you getting to vote, if you get 2 wrong, your vote goes in the bin for being thick!
 
That's the problem though, isn't it? If we did hold a referendum, how many people would just vote yes/no because they don't understand it? Surely our elected government would be the best people to make the decision, as the majority of the UK electorate would not fully understand the treaty anyway? My biggest problem is all of the lies about it, and broken pledges, but I suppose one can expect nothing else. :o
 
naffa said:
Capitol punishment was removed 100% in 1999, prior to that, captiol punishment was applicable to high treason and stealing from HM dock I believe.Unfortunately, that's exactly what he's done. If we look at David Cameron's quote:

"Today, I will give this cast-iron guarantee: If I become PM a Conservative government will hold a referendum on any EU treaty that emerges from these negotiations." - David Cameron writing for the Sun.

He said NOTHING about it depending on how far through the treaty is, he did nothing other than guarantee that should he and his party win the next election, he would hold a referendum on whether the UK should sign up to the Lisbon treaty. And even so, if this is such an important issue as it is for so many people, why would we not being able to have a referendum on it? Surely it's only worth holding a referendum on issues of such importance? The little 'get out clause' was only added my Hague when it became obvious the the treaty was going to be ratified by all member states. It was a great piece of political spin... It's just hilarious that the Tories have attacked Blair and Brown (and rightfully so) for not following through with their manifesto pledge, and they've done the same thing. Great. :p
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The problem is that this isn't the full quote, according to the guardian it was as follows:

"Today, I will give this cast-iron guarantee: If I become PM a Conservative government will hold a referendum on any EU treaty that emerges from these negotiations. No treaty should be ratified without consulting the British people in a referendum."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/03/david-cameron-lisbon-treaty-referendum

When taken in that context I can understand that if the Tories come to power, it looks like it will all be far to late and the treaty will have already been ratified. So for me I don't think he is breaking any promises, just seems to have been unfortunate timing the way things worked out. I'm guessing if the treaty wasn't ratified then we would get to vote on it.

Instead my anger is directed at Labour for signing us up without a vote, thats who I blame for all this.
 
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