Chelsea banned from signing players for 2 transfer windows

manic111 said:
Surely, though, the Liverpool one isn't tapping up (at least based on the BBC article)? It says that they put in a bid for a few hundred thousand which was rejected by Crewe. The player has now said that he wants to leave.

I don't see how this is tapping up; it doesn't imply anywhere that Liverpool have been in touch with the player himself, merely that the player got wind of the bid and decided that he wanted to go. It's not any different to Alonso or Ronaldo saying that they wanted to join Real Madrid after heaaring about the respective bids for them.
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If it is simply a case that he found out about the bid then unless the information was leaked at Crewe's end, then we've still done something wrong.

However I have no doubt that somebody from Liverpool has spoken to the lad, his family or agent already. It's part and parcel of football (and has been going on for years) and happens in 99% of transfers. Clubs won't waste their time bidding for players without already knowing the player wants to join.

Nothing can be done to stop it and unless we've been incredibly careless then Crewe will find it impossible to prove.
 
BaZ87 said:
If it is simply a case that he found out about the bid then unless the information was leaked at Crewe's end, then we've still done something wrong.

However I have no doubt that somebody from Liverpool has spoken to the lad, his family or agent already. It's part and parcel of football (and has been going on for years) and happens in 99% of transfers. Clubs won't waste their time bidding for players without already knowing the player wants to join.

Nothing can be done to stop it and unless we've been incredibly careless then Crewe will find it impossible to prove.
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Yep I agree with you there; as I said, I was only basing that statement on what was written in the previous article, and that merely implied that he had heard about the bid from somewhere.

Like you say, I wouldn't be surprised if there was something slightly under the table going on, but at the same time, and again as you say, I'd expect that everyone does it already.
 
Most of which played in the youth set up a one time or another. If not currently at Utd, then they are making a very respectable living from the game in and around the top two tiers of English Football.

Football by and large is a results business and you cannot argue that Between Brown, O'Shea, Evans & Fletcher they have a medal haul to be the envy of a lot of footballers on bigger wages and that have commanded huge transfer fee's and are supposedly world class. Not to mention the odd Champions league here, FA Cup there as well.
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well i didnt expect them to quit man utd and take up the dole.. of course they will still be in football, somewhere, generally working their way down the leagues until the hit the lows of Luke Chadwick and Michael Clegg who seem to be ommitted from your list.

Brown? O'Shea, Evans and Fletcher? your basing the strength of our youth development around 4 players that most fans would kick out of the club tomorrow given a chance? they dont get a first place shout, we only keep them around because they are relatively keen to play and on a small wage contract. if a 10million bid came in for any of them, we would accept it. yet no one bids 10million for them. why? because they are all bit part players who fill a gap once in a while and mostly No Swearing! it up!
 
Sorry, but you'd kick out Fletcher who has been brilliant for man utd, and keeps improving game on game. Evans who is surely one of the best young centre backs in the world. A brilliant Utility players in O'Shea who has saved utd's skin on many occassions. And a versitle right back / centre back, who has been great, save for some injury problems.
 
Nickg said:
well i didnt expect them to quit man utd and take up the dole.. of course they will still be in football, somewhere, generally working their way down the leagues until the hit the lows of Luke Chadwick and Michael Clegg who seem to be ommitted from your list.

Brown? O'Shea, Evans and Fletcher? your basing the strength of our youth development around 4 players that most fans would kick out of the club tomorrow given a chance? they dont get a first place shout, we only keep them around because they are relatively keen to play and on a small wage contract.
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What are you talking about :confused: Brown was an important part of the side that won the league and Champions League and has been a regular for our team for many years. O'Shea has played over 200 games for the club and has been a first team regular for over a season. Evans came in last year and formed part of the record breaking defence, he's probably one of the most promising young defenders in the league. Fletcher is probably our best midfielder right now, is a regular starter especially in big matches. If you think most United fans would kick them out then you know some ******* stupid United fans.
 
blairw said:
Sorry, but you'd kick out Fletcher who has been brilliant for man utd, and keeps improving game on game. Evans who is surely one of the best young centre backs in the world. A brilliant Utility players in O'Shea who has saved utd's skin on many occassions. And a versitle right back / centre back, who has been great, save for some injury problems.
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i think you overhype even more than i underplay!

brilliant? Fletcher our best midfielder? i know i berate carrick a lot but to even think that fletcher is the best midfelder at man utd is simply malicious.

best young center backs in the world? he looks OK, i.e not as terrible as oshea, but not someone you would want as centre back week in week out, given 10 million to spend on anyone else.

O'shea has saved Units skin in many occasions?!

i just lol'ed a bit inside, oh no sorry i meant died a little inside.

No-one but no one can justify why oshea still plays for man utd. show me his highlights and i will swamp you with footage of absolutely shocking play from him.
 
I wonder if FIFA will look at how Liverpool went about signing Zenden and Ziege from Boro, Oh no wait its Boro forget I said anything.
 
LOAM said:
I wonder if FIFA will look at how Liverpool went about signing Zenden and Ziege from Boro, Oh no wait its Boro forget I said anything.
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Blast from the past. :D

Do you reckon Liverpool offered Ziege's parents incentives for the move? Bear in mind he was 28 when that happened.
 
Nickg said:
well i didnt expect them to quit man utd and take up the dole.. of course they will still be in football, somewhere, generally working their way down the leagues until the hit the lows of Luke Chadwick and Michael Clegg who seem to be ommitted from your list.

Brown? O'Shea, Evans and Fletcher? your basing the strength of our youth development around 4 players that most fans would kick out of the club tomorrow given a chance?they dont get a first place shout, we only keep them around because they are relatively keen to play and on a small wage contract. if a 10million bid came in for any of them, we would accept it. yet no one bids 10million for them. why? because they are all bit part players who fill a gap once in a while and mostly No Swearing! it up!
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Fortunately though it's the experts and not the fans who run the club and team.

I'm sure if they ever decide the criteria of the next Utd manager is someone who has never played football at any level or judges obscure transfer targets on how good they are on championship manager, rest assured you will be top of the list.

See people berate Drunkenmaster on here but at times he knows what he is talking about. However when you put finger to keyboard, some village is quiet clearly missing an idiot where your knowledge of football is concerned
 
Slogan said:
Blast from the past. :D

Do you reckon Liverpool offered Ziege's parents incentives for the move? Bear in mind he was 28 when that happened.
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I think though you may find that they will look at the bigger picture of how players are tapped up, its easy to start with the kids, of which Liverpool tried again but failed (along with Chelsea and the kids own agent lol) with Boro with Nathan Porrit which was a pity really cause it turns out he's crap, But then so were Ziege and Zenden (for Pool anyway)
 
Loki said:
See people berate Drunkenmaster on here but at times he knows what he is talking about. However when you put finger to keyboard, some village is quiet clearly missing an idiot where your knowledge of football is concerned
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yes i believe they want O'shea back, but apparently he got lost in the tunnel right?

If you think Fletcher is our best midfielder as well, then im afraid you lose all credability too. if im going down, im taking the rest of you with me.

and btw its Football Manager ***!
 
Some stat I heard on talksport said out of all the young players up to the age of 21 now, brought to England and trained up by the academy only 4 or 5 are playing first team football out of 100s
 
Nickg said:
i think you overhype even more than i underplay!

brilliant? Fletcher our best midfielder? i know i berate carrick a lot but to even think that fletcher is the best midfelder at man utd is simply malicious.
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Fletcher is often one of United's most important players, He worked tirelessly to aid United getting to the Champions league final, and has proved himself in the "big" games over the past couple of seasons.

Nickg said:
best young center backs in the world? he looks OK, i.e not as terrible as oshea, but not someone you would want as centre back week in week out, given 10 million to spend on anyone else.
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Evans, is a brilliant prospect, He's probably one of the best young defenders in the League, maybe Europe.

Nickg said:
O'shea has saved Units skin in many occasions?!

i just lol'ed a bit inside, oh no sorry i meant died a little inside.

No-one but no one can justify why oshea still plays for man utd. show me his highlights and i will swamp you with footage of absolutely shocking play from him.
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I justify that O'**** plays for United because he's good back up for the first team, Evra and Brown are the first choice full backs, with the Samba Nev's coming through, O'**** has performed more then well enough when called upon.
 
i dont doubt that fletcher runs about and tries. its his ability and skill that are lacking, along with pace, composure etc.

i also hear that Evans got turned inside out midweek and personally knocked Ire out of the world cup by some teenage striker? great.

O'Shea... o'dear more like.. honestly.

since when was brown ever a first choice RB?

ergo we have had no good, or even great youth players. hence why i said out youth system has consistently failed us.

You cant use medals as a key of ability..

i mean Jesper blomqvist won a CL medal...was he the best ever winger we had? NO. lucky, right place, right time, like oshea, like fletcher.
 
Chelsea's French scout Guy Hillion claims that the Blues are not guilty in the controversial transfer of Gael Kakuta from RC Lens, despite the transfer embargo placed upon them by FIFA.

Kakuta moved to Stamford Bridge in 2007, and the Londoners were found guilty by football's world governing body of breaking rules relating to the 'inducement' of young players from abroad. But Hilion maintains that French clubs should get their own house in order before criticising their English counterparts.

"His [Kakuta's] mother is widowed and was responsible for five children and had big financial difficulties," Hillion told La Voix du Nord.

"When we started to talk about a possible move to Chelsea, we asked her if she ever signed anything with Lens. She promised she had signed nothing, nothing at all. Six months later, sorting out her papers, she found a pre-contract. She didn't even know what it was.

"French clubs try to appear as the innocent victims," he added. "But that is a caricature. It is just a money matter.

"A few weeks ago, an agent called me for Le Havre chairman Jean-Pierre Louvel, to know if I was attracted by their best young player, a French international [reported to be midfielder Gueida Fofana] born in 1991.

"They wanted to sell him [to an English club] for a nice sum [about €4 million]. Morally they were not disturbed a young player could join England for such a fee."
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see here

Just posted this because I thought it was interesting. There are always 2 sides to a story.
 
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