David Haye vs. Nikolai Valuev **SPOILERS**
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Comparing the way Haye fought Valuev to when he fights Klitchko's is irrelevant. He fought Valuev that way, because it was the only way it could be done. When he fights the Klitchko's, he will be fighting better than he fought Barret.
Incredibly different stats and factors with Valuev and the Klitchko's.
Incredibly different stats and factors with Valuev and the Klitchko's.
Was the fight not stopped by a medical professional?
Fighters will often say they are OK to continue, but we rely on the medical professional to make a decision. Similarly, when a boxer is taking a beating, he will often want to continue, but it is upto the referee to make a judgement call and stop the fight, often against the will of the fighter who is taking the beating.
Yes he did !!!!!! Which makes this a much more impressive win now !!! Beating that giant without your strong hand is no easy task !
Well done David Haye !!!
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He's on Sky Sports now being interviewed.
What a likeable fella.
What a likeable fella.
Yup he is just what the heavyweight division needs !!! A bit of personality. Typically a great boxer to watch also as he's a little gun-ho.. Always goes for the knock-out.. AND normally gets it...
I reckon had he not have had a broken hand he would have knocked out Valuev.. His legs went in the 12th.. Wobbled all over the joint from a clean left hook.. Image if he'd followed through with a devistating right.. Game Over !
anyone else notice Richard Schaefer straight in the ring from Golden Boy Promotions? all in the interests of signing him up. As was probably Don the Crook King
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I've always liked Haye, ok he's done a lot of mouthing off but this is all bravado to sell the fight which in this case he did a bloody good job of loads of people were talking about it!!
If you ever see a proper interview with him when he's not selling a fight he's a very intelligent guy with great charisma.
If you ever see a proper interview with him when he's not selling a fight he's a very intelligent guy with great charisma.
It seems that Round12 is what is being talked about a lot. I've only watched Round12, so can't comment on the other rounds. But from what I can tell, Haye is constantly running away from Valuev. Yes, Haye caught Valuev and Valuev was rocked, but he had great recovery and stood up to Haye. In some instances what I noticed was that Haye was turning away, as he punched, which meant that he wasnt actually looking where he was punching (hit, hope and run strategy).
Some people are saying that had he not broken his hand, then he would've knocked out Valuev - I doubt it.
From what you guys say, most of the fight was like this: Valuev standing his ground, moving towards Haye, while Haye continuously hit a punch and then ran away.
I think Haye's next fight has to be more convincing as this certainly isn't the sort of performance you expect of a new champion.
Some people are saying that had he not broken his hand, then he would've knocked out Valuev - I doubt it.
From what you guys say, most of the fight was like this: Valuev standing his ground, moving towards Haye, while Haye continuously hit a punch and then ran away.
I think Haye's next fight has to be more convincing as this certainly isn't the sort of performance you expect of a new champion.
It's been said over and over again, Haye couldn't really afford to stand in front of Valuev. The guy had 9 inch reach and 7 stone advantage over him, sure Haye was a lot quicker, but had a few of those BFG punches landed it would have been all over for Haye.
How else could you have fought Valuev? He had to get in and out and whilst his work rate wasn't that high, wasn't that due to his injury (has that been confirmed yet?)?
How can you comment on a fight that you didn't see? You really think he could adopt the same strategy against a quicker fighter and still win?
How else could you have fought Valuev? He had to get in and out and whilst his work rate wasn't that high, wasn't that due to his injury (has that been confirmed yet?)?
How can you comment on a fight that you didn't see? You really think he could adopt the same strategy against a quicker fighter and still win?
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What buffoon would stand toe to toe and trade off with a 315lb 7ft 2 Russian who's never ever been rocked let alone knocked out.. AND with a broken hand.. No-way should he have done anything differently. Besides, do you qualify walking forward and throwing punches into thin-air as winning? Valuev should have found a strategy to overcome the hit and dodge.. Since he didn't he lost.. Fair and square.
I think so.. At least it's in some legit papers.. And he has two fingers taped up, which is exactly what happened to me when i broke my hand a couple of times. It's actually called a boxers break, so the doc told me..
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Before you comment I think you should watch the full fight, you sound silly otherwise.
What would you suggest Haye could have done differently? Nobody has ever looked good against Valuev, his physique makes sure of that. There is pretty much only one way to win against him and Haye did it right. Lateral movement and avoid going toe to toe as Valuev's weight will tire even the strongest Heavy if they try any form of inside fighting.
I guarantee that Lennox Lewis would have done very little differently to Haye, although Lewis was probably less mobile, he was too smart to give away a speed advantage to Valuev by standing in from of him.
It wasn't pretty, but the tactics were right and I'm pretty sure we will never see Haye fight like that again, unless it's against Valuev.
Ruiz actually was closer to knocking down Valuev than Haye was. Valuev actually touched down but it wasn't ruled a knockdown
Vidoz wobbled him too or maybe it was Nobles. Bergeron shocked him but wasn't going to go over from that.
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And watch 11, almost identical rounds to the 12th? In fact, from what I understand nothing of any note happened in the previous rounds and exactly the same pattern as in the 12th round was shown in the previous 11 rounds.
What kind of self-proclaimed boxing expert, who gave Haye barely any chance of victory, because he studies and reads up on this kind of thing don'tchaknow, doesn't even bother to actually watch the fight in question before basing his entire opinion on the last round and somebody else's reports of the rest?
Don't you get that anything written or said about the fight by other people will be inevitably skewed (mostly unintentionally, but still) slightly by their perspective? You're either just taking the opinion of what you've read elsewhere, or being contrary for the sake of it, because I really don't see how you can form an objective opinion of something you've not actually seen objectively.
Don't you get that anything written or said about the fight by other people will be inevitably skewed (mostly unintentionally, but still) slightly by their perspective? You're either just taking the opinion of what you've read elsewhere, or being contrary for the sake of it, because I really don't see how you can form an objective opinion of something you've not actually seen objectively.
Ruiz actually was closer to knocking down Valuev than Haye was. Valuev actually touched down but it wasn't ruled a knockdown
Vidoz wobbled him too or maybe it was Nobles. Bergeron shocked him but wasn't going to go over from that.
Yes but did anyone rock him when donned with a broken hand? Makes a big difference..
Anyone complaining about Haye's performance last Saturday should and has to take this into consideration.. Fight would have been completely different and a lot more shots fired. Anyway, what is done is done.. Lets move forward and give Haye some support towards getting to the Klitchko's. Hopefully he'll unify the division and England has a true world champ on their hands.
I can see you are taking this all very seriously and personally. Given your emotional response, I won't respond to your comment.
