How much good does it take to negate the bad?

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I do not particularly want to go into too much detail incase someone is more involoved with the story and it upsets somebody. But here is the scenario for you in a nutshell;

In the area where I live there was a guy who was scum, I mean complete and utter scum who generally spent his days making other peoples lives a misery to the best of his abilities. Whilst I never had any personal run ins, or dealings, with the guy I heard all the stories and everyone knew the lout that the guy was. Think lazy, benefit living, scummy chav and you about have the picture. Suffice to say the guy was not liked in the community.

Well a while ago the same guy above was murdered. He was apparently walking home from the pub when he saw some bloke kicking the **** out of his girlfriend. He intervened to help the lass and the bloke pulled a knife and stabbed him to death. A very horrible and unfortunate thing to happen to anyone. The guy was only in his mid twenties when he was killed.

So I was reading the local paper and there was a couple of pages of a tribute to the guy about how much of a hero he was, and how he was a great man with people singing his praises. Totally forgotten was the years of abues and loutish behaviour that the guy had perviously commited in the community. The only time he would have previsouly appeared in the local paper was a a report on his recent misdamenour or in the court round ups.

Personally I have no real interest in the story, I never or neither did any of my family or friends have in any run ins with the guy when he was alive. I do however find it strange that through his one action he has been turned into a "great" person whereas before he could not really have been any worse thought of.

So my question to you OcUK peeps is; Can one good act be sufficent to redeem you for years of bad ones? Was his actions of trying to defend a woman enoguh to redeem his character? Not even case specific answer if you want, do you believe that one good act is enough to negate the bad in your life? As I say it his horrible that the bloke died, I just find the reaction to his death the stange thing.
 
Whenever anyone dies / is in court / deported / whatever they were a "Really nice family person, the nicest person you could ever meet". Never ever were they actually not very nice and troublesome.

Meh, call me insensitive but if they were a low life piece of scum say so! Or that they were an average bloke say so! As currently everyone's a hero.
 
You cant believe what the media prints, they cant exactly use the comments where people say "oh that guy, good riddance." Those comments could have been made by his friends and family who are obviously going to defend his life. Its the same when anyone dies in the press. Ill bet when gary glitter dies the papers will praise him as a great musician and not the paedophile he is.

And from the sound of it, the guy who was beating the girl and then stabbed him sounds like a much worse character imo.
 
People shouldn't change what they think/say about people when they die. It's just two faced and hypocritical.

If the guy was a **** in life, then he should be remembered as a ****. My old man was one before he died, I still think of him the same way now, but that's just me - I don't easily forgive/forget.
 
In the end I think it is just about paying respects. Remember the whole Jade Goody thing? Remeber there family will see all this in the paper too. It wouldn't be particularly nice to see such things written when your son/brother/sister etc has just died.

Its about letting go of the past, forgetting and moving on, at least there won't be any more problems from him.

For the record, I know the kind of person your talking about but in the end, would it be worth slatting a dead guy who tried to stop his partner getting a beating?
 
Anyone who would have the courage to help a girl being beaten up must be a good person deep down. There are lots of people who are liked in the community who would have turned a blind eye.

That said we don't really know the sort of bad things he did. Did he go around beating people up?
 
A simple answer is: "Do not speak ill of the dead"

A long answer is: Man has a duality to him, all people have both good and bad, you may only see one side of that person, but all bad people can be good, and vice versa. Sometimes it takes a pressure of a certain kind, in this case a guy beating a girl up, for the person to change their attitude.
 
Anyone who would have the courage to help a girl being beaten up must be a good person deep down. There are lots of people who are liked in the community who would have turned a blind eye.

That said we don't really know the sort of bad things he did. Did he go around beating people up?

And the rest.

He pretty much did it all. As I say I am not particularly bothered as I had no incidents at all with guy. I just find it strange the changing attitudes. Yes you have to respcet the dead, but surely silence rather than being hypocrits in the situation would be more dignified, especially considering the fact everyone knows what they are reading is false.
 
whilst he was a nobber he was also a son , brother , father??? , boyfriend etc. , he also never murdered anyone i assume

the stuff in the paper is for the sake of those people . who maybe arent as bad as he was
 
Anyone who would have the courage to help a girl being beaten up must be a good person deep down. There are lots of people who are liked in the community who would have turned a blind eye.

That said we don't really know the sort of bad things he did. Did he go around beating people up?

Who said it was for that, maybe just wanted to fight.
 
I've never understood this attitude. It seems utterly irrational. It would also require extensive re-writing of our history books.

"Mussolini was a greatly misunderstood man..."

:rolleyes:

You can be factual about a persons life; the good, the bad, but you don't need to **** them off as it doesn't really serve any purpose, as you can't change them. It's called being respectful. :)
 
Yea, he got the normal 25 years, but only has to serve 13 :confused: Great Britain makes great sense!

You mean he'll be eligible for requesting parole after 13 years.

Contrary to what papers make you believe, unless there is good reason to believe someone has turned their life around they don't give it.
 
Robin Williams has a new film coming out which is pretty similar to this its about how his son is a complete tit who everyone hates and when he dies everyone completely sings his praise
 
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