Decided on a 120d
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[TW]Fox;15322576 said:
Running costs aren't an issue, repair costs out of warranty are.
There is also a big difference between being able to afford, and wanting to spend.
BMWs aren't ridiculously expensive to run, they're just not cheap.
GT-Rs are ridiculously expensive to maintain and repair
BMWs aren't £15k hatchbacks
I don't expect them to, I wasn't complaining about it, or trying to persuade someone against buying one, or telling anyone they were crap, I simply said it put me off buying one.
I don't see why there is an argument here?
note the past tense. they used to be, but not any more
repair costs out of warranty come under running costs in my book
there is no argument, i just disagree with you on the point that you think they are ridiculously expensive to repair and maintain.
Personally, I thought it was quite funny. Good riposte to your conjecture about dodgy / expensive electrics going wrong / ridiculously expensive to maintain etc. A 2 year old BMW isn't a 1970s Italian car.....
Really? Remind me how much an SMG box costs when they inevitably go wrong?
Last I heard, from an unfortunate friend who had his fail, the pump alone was a £1500 job!
Or an old colleague who had to pay £1400 for a PAS pump for his 5 series, that was supply only, too.
It's not so much as I believe them to be unreliable, but if you're unlucky, and do have something major go, the costs can be endless.
That said, this seems to be the way cars are going anyway, its just BMW parts and labour are a fair bit higher than the rest.
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How many BMW's are fitted with SMG boxes anyway? A handful at best.
Absolute rot. If you are going to fabricate ridiculous little stories to prove your point then do pick a marque this forum is less familiar with.
A 5 Series PAS pump, supply only, is exactly £400 inclusive of VAT.
Please do your research before calling me a liar.
Lovely link, I love how we're discussing 1 series' and you pull out examples to M3s and 5 Series, they're £30-40k vehicles, of course replacement parts are going to be expensive, doesnt mean you have a breakdown every month.
A lot of people on here have BMWs, and I havent really got a hint of them being expensive to run, but not cheap either.
Do me a favour Mike - go and look at the price for an E39 530i, like the one Fox has, on that site and tell me just how much closer to £400 it comes out at.
In fact, I'll save you the effort - it comes out at £442.95. I'm not totally shocked that the parts price for an E34 (i.e. older generation) 5er comes out higher. IIRC, the E39 models (aside from the V8s) have rack-and-pinion steering but the older E34 5's don't.
Well, it's not like you stated which model you were talking about initially is it? I'd have said he could be forgiven for thinking you might be talking about a model more recent than the E34, a car not built since 1996.
Thanks guys, these last few posts have really been helping with my decision
Sorry Skidder, I'll shut up now
Firstly your price is now completely irrelevent, why are you bringing up the price of a part used in a car introduced in 1988 when we are talking about the repair costs of newer BMW's?
Secondly the E34 is now so old I cannot get an accurate UK price for the power steering pump but in the USA it's listed at $477.21 which is still some way south of £1500.
Vauxhalls cost a fortune to run, I'd never buy one. My mate once got quoted £20000 for an engine for his Lotus Carlton
How is a US price for a (probably patterned) part relevant?
If you phoned your dealer, I can guarantee it would come in at well over £1000 - like I say, it was £1400 at the time.
But my point stands, if an old and simple BMW costs so much to repair, what is a newer BMW, with more advanced technology, very complicated eletrical systems etc. going to cost when they start ageing?
I don't need to argue this, the depreciation speaks for its self.
Your Carlton analogy is completely irrelevant, too. I can buy a recon engine for my one year old car, in a crate and fully tested for less than £2k.
If you phoned your dealer, I can guarantee it would come in at well over £1000 - like I say, it was £1400 at the time.
But my point stands, if an old and simple BMW costs so much to repair, what is a newer BMW, with more advanced technology, very complicated eletrical systems etc. going to cost when they start ageing?
I don't need to argue this, the depreciation speaks for its self.
Your Carlton analogy is completely irrelevant, too. I can buy a recon engine for my one year old car, in a crate and fully tested for less than £2k.
It's a US price for a dealer part on the absence of a UK price. Either way, its irrelevent, as is the price of any part for a BMW introduced in 1988!
Well in the case of the power steering bump we know exactly what the newer model costs, 400 quid! A PAS pump for the current model 5 Series is £525. Again some £1000 less than you seemed to think.
And I can buy a PAS pump for a 3 year old BMW for £525 inc vat from the dealer.
Its not irrelevant at all, it's an example of BMW parts prices.
Ok, so the same part for a newer BMW is £525, but that isn't the only thing that's liable to go wrong, so its pointless focussing all your energy on that.
Like I say, you can convince yourself all you like that BMW's prices aren't unreasonable, I don't need to argue it any more, the depreciation does a great job of that (and adds to the discussion at the same time).
I'll go back to my original point again, I don't see why you're trying to argue this with me, I just said the costs of owning and repairing such a marque puts me off. I'm still heavily considering both the 135 and the 335 next year.
Ok, so the same part for a newer BMW is £525, but that isn't the only thing that's liable to go wrong, so its pointless focussing all your energy on that.
Like I say, you can convince yourself all you like that BMW's prices aren't unreasonable, I don't need to argue it any more, the depreciation does a great job of that (and adds to the discussion at the same time).
I'll go back to my original point again, I don't see why you're trying to argue this with me, I just said the costs of owning and repairing such a marque puts me off. I'm still heavily considering both the 135 and the 335 next year.
As much of one as me finding a part for a 1967 Vauxhall is an example of Vauxhall prices I guess.
So pick another hugely expensive part then?
The depreciation isn't really linked to the cost of repairs though is it? If that were the case Vauxhalls must cost a fortune to repair, have you seen the value of 1 year old Vectras?
You... had a point?!
This.
What's with all the hostility today?
BMW parts are expensive, we get it. There are different BMWs with different parts costs, we get that too.As far as I can see, mostly it's everyone and Fox having a go at MikeHiow again because he bought a Corsa (even though the original Corsa comment in this thread actually was justified IMO and probably shouldn't have been taken as a personal insult).
Chillax, and a return to topic!