Nokia N900

Why do you keep on posting negative comments in here - how is it lacking compared to other phones. imo it is the phone to get - HTC HD2 - WiMo - no thanks, Droid, not out - what else touches this phone.

Sorry i'll make you happy and just post positive shall I? I didn't realise this was a fanboy praise-thread? :confused:

I was looking forward to this phone having owned Nokias for the last 10 years, but I am dissappointed with it. I have every right to say that as much as you have to blindly praise it. THis is a thread to discuss the phone, good and bad, not some blind fanboy w**kathon for you to enthuse and criticise anyone who doesn't.

What else touches the phone? Read the many reviews out that are highlighting the negatives of the phone, maybe then you will have a balanced opinion. Until then, man up and stop whinging. Lets look at these common criticisms from major reviewers:


  • The resistive screen is not as good as a capacitive in practise
  • Camera is average
  • Kayboard is poor
  • Maemo 5 is pretty but lacks polish
  • Very few major apps
  • Only caters to a very specific crowd
When you factor in that even Nokia themselves didn't expect it to sell amazingly well, and themselves said it was a stop-gap to the next version, then it doesn't take a genius to work out that this phone has no real longevity. I have no ties to any brand, just has with PC hardware, and my opinion is wholly objective.
 
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Sorry i'll make you happy and just post positive shall I? I didn't realise this was a fanboy praise-thread? :confused:

I was looking forward to this phone having owned Nokias for the last 10 years, but I am dissappointed with it. I have every right to say that as much as you have to blindly praise it. THis is a thread to discuss the phone, good and bad, not some blind fanboy w**kathon for you to enthuse and criticise anyone who doesn't.

What else touches the phone? Read the many reviews out that are highlighting the negatives of the phone, maybe then you will have a balanced opinion. Until then, man up and stop whinging. Lets look at these common criticisms from major reviewers:


  • The resistive screen is not as good as a capacitive in practise
  • Camera is average
  • Kayboard is poor
  • Maemo 5 is pretty but lacks polish
  • Very few major apps
  • Only caters to a very specific crowd
When you factor in that even Nokia themselves didn't expect it to sell amazingly well, and themselves said it was a stop-gap to the next version, then it doesn't take a genius to work out that this phone has no real longevity. I have no ties to any brand, just has with PC hardware, and my opinion is wholly objective.

Whats with your attitude? There are flaws to every phone, like I have mentioned multiple times this phone isnt perfect. Its a forum for discussion, but all you are constantly doing is coming in this thread and posting fictitious or selective parts from reviews criticising the device - very odd behaviour in my book. (Especially from someone who hasn't even touched the thing.)


[*] The resistive screen is not as good as a capacitive in practise
Subjective. Personally Id prefer capacitive yes.

[*] Camera is average
What? Its one of the best camera on a phone out there. Droid, HTC phones, iphone etc are poor compared, you've just made that up.

[*] Kayboard is poor
The keyboard is pretty good, having used it myself - the reviews are largely positive about it too.

[*] Maemo 5 is pretty but lacks polish
Lacks polish? In what respect?

[*] Very few major apps
The phone has only just been released what do you expect. It is a downside to getting the N900 yes. However applications are coming.

[*] Only caters to a very specific crowd
err yes but what has that got to do with the price of fish.

Personally yes I think the N900 is the best phone out at the moment (when I say out, no one knows if its actually out yet!). I rate a decent camera in a phone, decent multitasking, decent screen, and speed. Theres no other phone that ticks all those boxes (downside being lack of MMS until Dec and lack of portrait mode in a lot of apps at the moment, all of which are temporary issues)
 
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What else touches the phone? Read the many reviews out that are highlighting the negatives of the phone, maybe then you will have a balanced opinion. Until then, man up and stop whinging. Lets look at these common criticisms from major reviewers:


  • The resistive screen is not as good as a capacitive in practise
  • Camera is average
  • Kayboard is poor
  • Maemo 5 is pretty but lacks polish
  • Very few major apps
  • Only caters to a very specific crowd

Addressing those points...

The screen - it's supposedly about the best resistive screen on the market and the only people who will even slightly care are those who've owned an iphone. The screen is supposed to be very very good, so what's the problem?

Camera - it's a phone and one with a pretty good camera to boot, better than most of the competition at this end of the market. The phones with the best cameras aren't the best at anything else. It's a decent camera for most things, want a good camera? Buy a DSLR tbh.

Keyboard - it's better than that of the iphone, which doesn't have one. It's better than all the competition tbh, as they don't have one and you can use on-screen as well, so what's the beef???

The OS - it's a phone and tablet, the OS is fine for that and being open source it will improve throughout it's life cycle. It'll be better than any phone most of us have owned anyway.

Apps - it's been out 2 minutes, the apps will be out very quickly, converted from symbian etc. Plus, as above, it is an open source OS so, theoretically, MORE apps can be developed by anyone who wants to - great as it will mean more free apps anyway. Plus, I use about 10 on my E71, most of which are already available for the N900. Who actually uses ALL those iphone apps?

Caters for a specific crowd - well, yes and no. When it hits the shops (fails4U, carphone warehouse etc) then it will sell. The original iphone catered to a specific market, mainly those who have style over substance - it didn't even have 3G which was several years behind the competition. So what? They are being quite clever with the specific market - it will have been beta-tested already and we're the next step. There will be about 6 weeks for us to identify any real world issues and them to be fixed for when it goes to Joe Public. Nokia are aware of this, we are aware, so give us the damn phone tbh.

When you factor in that even Nokia themselves didn't expect it to sell amazingly well, and themselves said it was a stop-gap to the next version, then it doesn't take a genius to work out that this phone has no real longevity. I have no ties to any brand, just has with PC hardware, and my opinion is wholly objective.

Nokia haven't said they didn't expect it to sell well, no company listed on ay stock exchange could justify that. Phones develop at a frightening rate anyway so yes, it will be replaced by another top end model, probably in 9 - 12 months, maybe sooner. The phone will still work, it will still be great for the internet and will have a hardcore following continually develop the OS and apps. The same can be said for any phone - it will be surpassed very quickly, such is the nature of technology. But, the beauty of the N900 is, there is talk of it being compatible with the next gen OS - not an update, a new OS!

The iphone came out 2 years ago and there have already been 2 more released since then. Nokia will follow suit, so will the other manufacturers. The iphone 3GS mk2 or something will be out in the summer no doubt, so with the 3GS have no longevity? Of course not. High end users will use it for 9-12 months, then sell it on ebay for £150ish. The middle of the road lot will get it for free next year on contract or buy the high-end users 2nd hand. They'll keep it well into 2011. By the time the London Olympics come round, it will be in the hands of someone who just likes it. Same with the N900. Check ebay for N95 and original iphone - they are well into 'outdated' technology, but people like them. Very few people can afford to keep up with technology and very few people will actually use every feature of any phone, we just want something a bit cool, useful and innovative. The N900 ticks those boes for me and I want one as soon as I can get my mitts on it, what's wrong with that?
 
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Half of this thread is just complaints about delays and how the poster needs a phone RIGHT THIS SECOND or else. What are they thinking, that nokia engineers/sales will read this thread and go "Ok, drop everything, throw all resources into this thing so it gets out there by tomorrow or no pizza"?

And yes I am pretentious, however just don't think that these people will get on with the 900 as much as they think they will. And guess deep down, in my compressed black heart, I just don't want people wasting money (lets face it, its not cheap) on something like N900, regardless of how much I think its the best smartphone out there.

I just get the feeling it will be the same hype as it was over eeepc, like its some sort of saviour come to free us from the grips of microsoft, but few years on you just see more fleabay posts of "never used" eeepc's.

You wont get any arguements from me about people complaining about delays in release dates. I think it is odd but understand peoples frustrations, its just Im not that obsessed with having to have the latest gadget as soon as I can so dont really care about delays despite being out of contract.

Im not sure what there is in the phone not to get on with ? It makes calls, you can text, surf sites properly, use sat nav and hopefully it will have a few decent and useful apps worth having oh and has a keyboard. Thats really about all I care about in a device.

Yes it has its flaws but then so does every other smart phone on the market, there isnt a phone out there that has it all and lets face it, in 18 - 24 months it will be on the scrap heap anyway just like every other phone, so longivity isnt an issue either.
 
Whats with your attitude? There are flaws to every phone, like I have mentioned multiple times this phone isnt perfect. Its a forum for discussion, but all you are constantly doing is coming in this thread and posting fictitious or selective parts from reviews criticising the device - very odd behaviour in my book. (Especially from someone who hasn't even touched the thing.)

Yeah of course... 'odd' behaviour. Ahem.

Anyway i'm going out in a sec so i'll be brief...

[*] Camera is average
What? Its one of the best camera on a phone out there. Droid, HTC phones, iphone etc are poor compared, you've just made that up.
Err yes, i'm making it up http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Nokia-N900-Review-review-r_2318-p_4.html

There is nothing about the images that will impress you and their quality is mediocre. The colors are real, but appear rather thin. The situation with the image details is, however, much worse and the excessive sharpness does away with them almost entirely. Things get worse with snapshots taken in artificial lighting conditions, although worse overall quality in this case can be expected.
[*] Kayboard is poor
The keyboard is pretty good, having used it myself - the reviews are largely positive about it too.
From here http://www.slashgear.com/htc-hd2-vs-nokia-n900-keyboard-comparison-0362604/

In comparison, the N900 – despite having a hardware keyboard – is more cramped than the HD2, and while we appreciate the tactile feedback of the physical buttons (the HD2 does have haptic feedback, buzzing briefly when each on-screen key is tapped) they’re smaller than on the HTC. Meanwhile there’s no error correction on the N900, only word-prediction, and as we commented in our initial unboxing of the smartphone, the top row of keys can be uncomfortably close to the lower edge of the screen. Right now we’re quicker at typing on the HD2 than we are on the N900, despite having had the latter for far longer.

I'm not saying it's a bad phone, just that its a dissappointment in my eyes as I was really looking forward to it being something special. As for the obvious typos caused by typing quickly, lets not get into the pointlessness of highlighting them... :)
 
Yeah of course... 'odd' behaviour. Ahem.

Anyway i'm going out in a sec so i'll be brief...

Err yes, i'm making it up http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Nokia-N900-Review-review-r_2318-p_4.html

From here http://www.slashgear.com/htc-hd2-vs-nokia-n900-keyboard-comparison-0362604/



I'm not saying it's a bad phone, just that its a dissappointment in my eyes as I was really looking forward to it being something special. As for the obvious typos caused by typing quickly, lets not get into the pointlessness of highlighting them... :)

Its a forum for discussion, but all you are constantly doing is coming in this thread and posting fictitious or selective parts from reviews criticising the device - very odd behaviour in my book. (Especially from someone who hasn't even touched the thing.)

;)
 
Err yes, i'm making it up http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Nokia-N900-Review-review-r_2318-p_4.html
There is nothing about the images that will impress you and their quality is mediocre. The colors are real, but appear rather thin. The situation with the image details is, however, much worse and the excessive sharpness does away with them almost entirely. Things get worse with snapshots taken in artificial lighting conditions, although worse overall quality in this case can be expected.

From here http://www.slashgear.com/htc-hd2-vs-nokia-n900-keyboard-comparison-0362604/

The phone is not being marketed as a camera phone but as a smart phone so why do you expect the camera to be better. It's a computer with phone capabilities and an average camera, seems pretty perfect to me. The only time i would be unhappy with a phone that had a average camera would be if i had a phone that was boasted as a camera phone, e.g. one of the new 12.mp ones.

Are you choosing to ignore the fact that Christo has actually used the phone and said they keyboard is good? Or is all your trust with reviewers?

Oh and you are being very selective with reviews and disregarding any positive points made by just picking out any negative that is just a brief sentence as opposed to a full positive paragraph or even an overall positive review.
 
If the keyboard is anything like 810, then its a little bit poor for me. But then some people can use the crapberry's keyboard which I feel is worse. On 810 I just stick to non standard (matchbox-keyboard) on screen keyboard as the default one is too large and horrible anyway. Which gives you a qwerty like keyboard, which is needed for Japanese input.

Anyway il upload a screen from 810 with it, but to me its far nicer and most imporantly faster to use then default one.

Edit: Heres the screenshot from N810. Prefer it to the default on screen one by miles
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Richdog said:
I'm not saying it's a bad phone, just that its a dissappointment in my eyes as I was really looking forward to it being something special. As for the obvious typos caused by typing quickly, lets not get into the pointlessness of highlighting them... :)
It's alright, Rich, just sit back and wait for all the "OMG, in portrait mode I can only make/receive phone calls, why did no one tell me!?!" raging.


My take, having spent a while fiddling with one a few weeks ago:

Screen; More responsive than other resistives I've tried, you won't be confusing it for the 5800. I don't recall being stunned by the image quality though.
Keyboard; Pretty decent, comfortable and with acceptable feedback. Much better than the N97/N97 mini I tried alongside it.
OS; Quite novel to use but was hardly snappy, plenty of loading circles going on, oh yes. The lack of portrait usability (at launch anyway), whilst not a flaw per se, as it's not being marketed as a phone, isn't going to make a lot of fans out of casual users.

May just pick one up over here to play with while waiting for a Milestone/X10 as the 'big-river-in-south-america.com' site have it up for pre-order at $480 inclusive of a $50 mail-in rebate (that's around £300, although the $50 M.I.R will have to go to US address). Or shall I wait until I'm back in the UK and pay another 50%...
 
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Looked at the offer, converted seems to be about £320. Very tempting, and got some friends in US, who can mail it back here, and say pocket the remaining $50 after sending it. But the fear of having import tax and then vat or something added on to it, making it the same price as here.

If you can buy it and carry with you, instead of mailing should be absolutely fine though. Also tried to ship it to my address in UK, and got:

Important Message

* Nokia N900 Unlocked Phone/Mobile Computer with 3.5-Inch Touchscreen, QWERTY, 5 MP Camera, Maemo Browser, 32 GB--U.S. Version with Full Warranty cannot be shipped to the selected address.
$529.99 - Available for Pre-order

Anyway, almost tempted me into it if I knew anything about getting expensive stuff sent from US. As £320, I feel is very reasonable price for it. Will go and sleep on it, but think rushing will be bad for now.
 
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Are you choosing to ignore the fact that Christo has actually used the phone and said they keyboard is good? Or is all your trust with reviewers?

Trust professional reviewers who has used likely hundreds of phones in a review capacity... over Christo? Never...

It's alright, Rich, just sit back and wait for all the "OMG, in portrait mode I can only make/receive phone calls, why did no one tell me!?!" raging.


My take, having spent a while fiddling with one a few weeks ago:

Screen; More responsive than other resistives I've tried, you won't be confusing it for the 5800. I don't recall being stunned by the image quality though.
Keyboard; Pretty decent, comfortable and with acceptable feedback. Much better than the N97/N97 mini I tried alongside it.
OS; Quite novel to use but was hardly snappy, plenty of loading circles going on, oh yes. The lack of portrait usability (at launch anyway), whilst not a flaw per se, as it's not being marketed as a phone, isn't going to make a lot of fans out of casual users.

Yeah, I don't see how a plastic resistive screen can compare to a glass capacitive one in terms of visuals personally. All the glass screens i've seen have been way clearer and sharper.

May just pick one up over here to play with while waiting for a Milestone/X10 as the 'big-river-in-south-america.com' site have it up for pre-order at $480 inclusive of a $50 mail-in rebate (that's around £300, although the $50 M.I.R will have to go to US address). Or shall I wait until I'm back in the UK and pay another 50%...

Where are you based now then mate, you in the USA for a stint? :)
 
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I played around with it at the Nokia store and at the n900 meetup and was impressed to be honest - I liked the keyboard, but I acknowledge that it is a personal decision. Then again, I loved the keyboard on the SPV e650..
One thing I hate is an onscreen keyboard - so any hardware keyboard is an improvement for me as I wont buy a phone without one - god knows what Im going to do in a couple of years :eek:

As for the camera - I thought it was good (for a phone) but having had only various SPV phones with a max of 2 megapixel res, then anything would seem good after that. My personal take on cameras in phones is that if it takes a reasonable photo, then its OK, they are not designed as replacements for camera's, more to supplement a camera so that when you are out and about you can still take snaps if you don't have a camera on you. Mind you, the nokia site does have some very good pictures taken with a n900, but they would wouldn't they!!

I have played around with the iphone, capacitive is good, but it loses its appeal when you are trying for accuracy, I prefer resisitive, but understand why others don't..

This phone is special, but maybe not in the way you want richdog - it is a prototype, and will come with faults and bugs, but it is the first attempt by a major manufacturer to bring a device to market that is truly open and with a decent hardware spec. Who knows what people will develop for it, and not have to deal with the app store or googles API.
The community will make it different - no mms support - its on its way, portrait mode is also being worked on, and the bluetooth file transfer is fixed as well, all for free and by the community. Maybe the n900 shouldn't have been released without all this - possibly, but it goes to show how the future will be, the community working to make a device better, rather than the manufacturer, who knows what direction it will go in, it will be the users who have the input there and thats quite something..

Im no fan boi, never had a nokia, and used WM for years now, but its manged to tempt me into ordering one because it is different and all the tube vids showing how good the browser is, and that is important to me..
 
This phone is special, but maybe not in the way you want richdog - it is a prototype, and will come with faults and bugs, but it is the first attempt by a major manufacturer to bring a device to market that is truly open and with a decent hardware spec.

I agree wholeheartedly with all your points... and this is the reason I personally won't buy it. These I want a phone that does it all out of the box, I can't be bummed to faff around with a prototype lacking some major features. The next revision however, may be a different story. :)
 
No its not, we had 770, 800, 810 come before it, they all run Maemo OS. How is it still a prototype?

Different OS and this is also a phone, the others were not. It is shoe-horning in tech that has not been available on the others and going for mass-market appeal. Honestly, before the N900 I wasn't even aware of the 770, 800 and 810 - they are so much of a niche market. The N900 is not.
 
[*] Only caters to a very specific crowd
err yes but what has that got to do with the price of fish.

Well the problem with that is if it doesn't sell so well or have that many users, developers will pass on making apps for it, and in this type of phone, surely apps make or break it in the end?
 
Would suggest you read the difference between 2008 OS release and this maemo 5.

The only two major changes are to init scripts being less reliant on polling, and using Xorg for its xserver. If you look at the rest of updates, are all in the application layer.
Both OSes will use 2.6 linux kernel anyway, with the only difference being the minor revision. And hey, my 810 is currently using 2.6.21, latest stable kernel release is 2.6.31.

Phone chip does not suddenly make a whole new piece of hardware.
 
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Ive just noticed my preorder has been changed to 31st of December. Initial thoughts are what the hell! Im due to be selling my phone next month so i either have no phone for a month or get something else. My other concern now is if i do wait will it just get pushed back again because this is the 2nd or 3rd time now.

Wait ive just found a random old nokia that will work in the meantime but still ech.......
 
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