Cleanest 205 ever.
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Don't get me wrong I'm not against modding cars in any way. I just think mint standard examples should be left that way as if you're modifying it you are probably gonna replace all the knackered parts anyway. I can see both sides of the argument.
Who said it ruins anything, I didn't. As I said we are looking at the car very differently, you obviously thing a quick hot hatch is a quick car, I don't, I see it as a nippy car. The brakes on a 205 were fine, the engine had plenty of power and the car was great fun in it's day and though there is no argument its possible to make it quicker or more efficient, it isnt going to make it more fun, I promise you so to me its pointless. Modern cars have reduced the fun and increased the performance but no question a modern car will be quicker.
It's why I prefer a GT3 to a GT-R.
I drove our 1.6 gti (rolling roaded at 116bhp by the guy who bought it off me) for a year before putting the mi16 in.
Got to admit, I much prefered the mi16 engine- same engine characteristics as the 1.6. Mine made the book figure of 161bhp at 7200rpm.
They're not stupidly fast, ~6 seconds to 60 and I believe around 15 seconds to 100mph... but the pure feeling of speed/nearly dying really adds to the excitement. Will keep up with the majority of hot hatches nowadays.
Got to admit, I much prefered the mi16 engine- same engine characteristics as the 1.6. Mine made the book figure of 161bhp at 7200rpm.
They're not stupidly fast, ~6 seconds to 60 and I believe around 15 seconds to 100mph... but the pure feeling of speed/nearly dying really adds to the excitement. Will keep up with the majority of hot hatches nowadays.
What on earth has caused you to make the assumption that I think Hot Hatches are 'fast cars'?
To be honest, you've pretty much proved my point for me. The brakes and Engine were adequate back in their day... Just like Leeches were an effective medical treatment. Times change
.Just out of interest, do you think that no car whatsoever can be improved upon from the day it left the factory?
What on earth has caused you to make the assumption that I think Hot Hatches are 'fast cars'?
To be honest, you've pretty much proved my point for me. The brakes and Engine were adequate back in their day... Just like Leeches were an effective medical treatment. Times change
Just out of interest, do you think that no car whatsoever can be improved upon from the day it left the factory?
How old are you?
Housey have you ever driven a mi16'd 205 out of interest? I think you'd like it
Nope, but I did drive the 405 Mi16.
I'm sure it's a good upgrade, but it misses what I am seeking.
GT3, you Sir are very fortunate to have what looks to be an absolute minter of a Rallye, I'm very jealous mate!
How have you got on in the year that you have owned it, has it required any time with a spanner? And have you partook in any driving trips other than the back-road blasts?
For me, I echo Housey & GT3 with why we love these 'classic' hot-hatches. The purity of feel through the steering, throttle & brake pedal with a playful chassis coupled with modest power from the engine & of course they are light weight!
Even such things as bolting on a sticky set of modern rubber can detract from what these cars offer, although I would argue that a decent set of brake discs & pads are quite acceptable!
How have you got on in the year that you have owned it, has it required any time with a spanner? And have you partook in any driving trips other than the back-road blasts?
For me, I echo Housey & GT3 with why we love these 'classic' hot-hatches. The purity of feel through the steering, throttle & brake pedal with a playful chassis coupled with modest power from the engine & of course they are light weight!
Even such things as bolting on a sticky set of modern rubber can detract from what these cars offer, although I would argue that a decent set of brake discs & pads are quite acceptable!
You seem to be emphasisng how much quicker the engine modification would make the car. I don't doubt that, but I am not interested in comparing it to other hot hatches away from the lights or on a 1/4 mile or even across country. I want to get in, drive off, have some fun and come home, I sense you are missing this.
I am proving nothing, just that you are taking your view and believing it should be mine. I sense you are actually missing my point completely.To be honest, you've pretty much proved my point for me. The brakes and Engine were adequate back in their day... Just like Leeches were an effective medical treatment. Times change
Nope, never said and don't believe it. It's a law of diminishing returns. I don't want a car to be as quick or quicker than modern hot hatches, it is a total irrelevance to me. I grew up with epic braking distances and lightweight cars with lots of fun but not a great deal of power, I can see their appeal having come through generations of cars that have got quicker, comfier, heavier and massively more capable.
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Not just you. I love 205s but to be honest, dislike that one quite a bit...shame as I'm sure it performs well.
Tis the 1.9 I want anyway, so that's nearly a massive 10bhp or something quicker
At least
Only thing I don't like about the 1.9 is it's quite lazy... I prefer the higher revs in a car like the 205.
Was it just the engine that you changed? Or did you have to follow suit with a suspension, brakes & tyre upgrade?
I can see the benefit of having a more reliable engine as nobody wants a car-sized ornament! But surely by fitting an Mi16 you lose some of the sparkle of 'working' for the power plus your actual road-speed is ramped up, which, as myself, Housey & GT3 have commented, is not what we want from these cars.