Poll: Should Gary McKinnon be extradited to the US for hacking?
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No I wasn't saying you did mate, just pointing out that it's certainly more of a US being embarrassed thing than a "OMFG this guy is uber and hacked us to bits" thing. He basically made a laughing stock of the US computer security with kiddy scripting during a sensitive time and they really want to show him up. Again this is my big reason for not liking this move by the UK to allow extradition.
I think if it was some super complex heap smashing exploit he wrote and then he'd targeted stuff like weapons systems specs and sold them on then 70 years isn't out of the question. But the loon was look for UFOs lol
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Quick post to highlight this
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200708/ldjudgmt/jd080730/mckinn-1.htm
Seems to add weight to Von Smallhausen's points, in particular
"Asked by the interviewer “How would you describe those conditions?", the attorney replied: “You are going to be the boyfriend of a very bad man if you wait out your extradition". That was understood by the Court to mean that they would be subject to homosexual rape. Asked then: “And does that have much of an impact on these people?", the attorney answered: “Well, out of the 89 people we have indicted so far, approximately 55 of them have said, ‘We give up'"."
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200708/ldjudgmt/jd080730/mckinn-1.htm
Seems to add weight to Von Smallhausen's points, in particular
"Asked by the interviewer “How would you describe those conditions?", the attorney replied: “You are going to be the boyfriend of a very bad man if you wait out your extradition". That was understood by the Court to mean that they would be subject to homosexual rape. Asked then: “And does that have much of an impact on these people?", the attorney answered: “Well, out of the 89 people we have indicted so far, approximately 55 of them have said, ‘We give up'"."
I think 60 years would be harsh, yes. There, i've said it. But I don't believe he should be either let off, or tried here, simply because we're too soft on anyone with a sniff of a disability.
I cannot stand people who do irresponsible/stupid/illegal things and then hide behind the curtain of "I couldn't help it - but don't hurt me because I have a disability".
If Gary KcKinnon is compelled to go around hacking into computers, he should have been put in a secure unit, well away from any computers, in the first place.
/shrug
No, he should be tried in the US and moved to a secure unit if he would indeed be in danger.
So much for justice then...
Most people with aspergers are generally harmless - they don't typically have the same social concepts of consequence or rationality and so on that people without the conditon have but neither do they typically have tendancies towards things that would end in someone getting hurt... tho there is always the danger they could get a bee in their bonnet about something that involved killing someone an be unable to deal with the impulses but I'd say that would be extremely rare. They can be annoying to live with but rarely posses a threat.
Not sure why your so afraid of people who don't fit into the accepted pattern of normality.
EDIT: On that note just noticed one of the guys I know who has aspergers has deleted me from facebook friends again no doubt in a fit of temper :S
Most people with aspergers are generally harmless - they don't typically have the same social concepts of consequence or rationality and so on that people without the conditon have but neither do they typically have tendancies towards things that would end in someone getting hurt... tho there is always the danger they could get a bee in their bonnet about something that involved killing someone an be unable to deal with the impulses but I'd say that would be extremely rare. They can be annoying to live with but rarely posses a threat.
Not sure why your so afraid of people who don't fit into the accepted pattern of normality.
EDIT: On that note just noticed one of the guys I know who has aspergers has deleted me from facebook friends again no doubt in a fit of temper :S
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So does someone with Aspergers have a concept of what is right and wrong?
If yes, then they should have to follow the law like everyone else, and be punished like everyone else if they break it.
Wonderful. You managed to not be a troll for what... a handful of posts?
In related news, i'm not sure why you're so scared of people who don't praise nVidia from the rooftops.
Maybe it's just because you twist what he says to suit your own ideals?
I'm not trolling - the attitude I've got from the posts you've made on the subject basically say - "lock them up or beat them into normality".
They have problems dealing with social concepts of what is and isn't acceptable and the consequences of their actions - they aren't entirely devoid of knowing right from wrong but neither are they usually deserving of being locked up.
They deserve being tried with account being taken for their condition... not locked up for being different or treated like there is nothing wrong.
As far as the facebook thing goes thats nothing to do with me personally - a few people wind him up the wrong way and he deletes all the people on his friends list... then a few months later starts readding.
They have problems dealing with social concepts of what is and isn't acceptable and the consequences of their actions - they aren't entirely devoid of knowing right from wrong but neither are they usually deserving of being locked up.
They deserve being tried with account being taken for their condition... not locked up for being different or treated like there is nothing wrong.
As far as the facebook thing goes thats nothing to do with me personally - a few people wind him up the wrong way and he deletes all the people on his friends list... then a few months later starts readding.
Then that's your assumption and wrong.
So they should be allowed to get themselves into trouble, and we just laugh it off?
Every single member of the UK should be treated in the same way in terms of being held responsible for their actions, unless they have no comprehension of right or wrong - in which case they should be well away from anything they can use to get themselves into a situation like McKinnon.
It's not cruel - do you think he enjoys going through this?
You wouldn't, for example, give someone with extreme schizophrenia and suicidal tendencies a sharp kitchen knife to eat their dinner with. It's just common sense.
Really rubbish analogy tbh.
I wrote out about six different ones and decided on that, but yes, I agree.
I just hope it at least partially gets my point across.
Assumption it might be - but nothing you've said showed anything different...
I don't think you really get this... ofcourse you don't just let them get into trouble - but neither do you just lock them up and throw away the key because they might potentially be a problem.
I don't think you really get this... ofcourse you don't just let them get into trouble - but neither do you just lock them up and throw away the key because they might potentially be a problem.
ridiculous... this is like saying someone with only one leg should either be treated exactly like someone with 2 legs or exactly like someone with no legs at all... you apparently do no get what aspergers is like - which isn't unusual - so be careful in your judgement of it.
This is exactly why I'm saying it wouldn't be justice to just release him to the US legal system where they have even less concept of it than over here.
It's simple really Rroff. Either people with Aspergers are a danger to themselves/others or they are not.
If they aren't, then when they break the law, they get treated like a normal person.
It's not a one way street. You can't just swan around doing whatever you like and play the disability card whenever someone takes a dislike to your actions.
I couldn't care less what you think tbh.
If they aren't, then when they break the law, they get treated like a normal person.
It's not a one way street. You can't just swan around doing whatever you like and play the disability card whenever someone takes a dislike to your actions.
I couldn't care less what you think tbh.
I voted yes. I won't pretend to know the in's and out's of the accusations etc but I do firmly believe in justice and law. If he has indeed done something wrong, he should be held accountable for it, just like anyone else in society
I got that impression...
Unfortunatly its not as black and white as you'd like to make it out to be.
Well it is because it looks like he's going to have to face the consequences.
And the not caring was in reference to your psycho-analysis of me, not your opinion.
I wasn't attempting to psycho-analyse anyone - I'm simply not qualified to do so - I do however dislike it when people try to rigorously enforce a one dimensional sense of normality without any consideration for other peoples circumstances.