Poll: Should Gary McKinnon be extradited to the US for hacking?

[Von Smallhausen]

I think you're certainly sensationalising it a lot to try to prove your point.

There is nothing to sensationalise. Link

Abuse and gang affiliation in the US prison system is a problem and it is unlikely that Gary McKinnon will not fall victim to that in some way.

 

[Tute]

Tute, that covers UNAUTHORISED access to computer systems, hacking can be anything from making your OWN hardware do "neat things" to writing overflows for your OWN software. These are hacking and NOT illegal in any way.

Yes, UNAUTHORISED. Unless you can show me where the US gave him permission?

The truth is, that if the 60 year sentence was imposed it'd be largest sentence ever passed in the states for hacking / computer crime and completely unjust.

There's no guarantee he would get that sentence.

Also, can you read the thread please? I'm getting fed up with typing the same thing over and over again.

 

[Tute]

There is nothing to sensationalise. Link

Abuse and gang affiliation in the US prison system is a problem and it is unlikely that Gary McKinnon will not fall victim to that in some way.

Because you make it sound like it's out of control?

Plus can you name me a prison, even in the UK, where absolutely no abuse has ever taken place?

 

[Von Smallhausen]

Because you make it sound like it's out of control?

Plus can you name me a prison, even in the UK, where absolutely no abuse has ever taken place?

Of course not.

I would make an educated guess that the US system has greater problems of abuse than the UK.

My whole point is about propertionality and I see no reason why Gary McKinnon can't be tried here ? I feel his treatment in the US would not as fair as it should be.

 

[dangerstat]

Also, can you read the thread please? I'm getting fed up with typing the same thing over and over again.

And there is no guarantee he WONT. That's the key bit. It's clear the US wants to make an example of him. You seem to accept that 60 years is too much and whilst that is a possibility there is no way on earth we should hand him over to the US!

I am reading the thread.

 

[Biohazard]

It's hardly a reason to not have him extradited.

The fact he can be extradited is the most major thing wrong with the whole case in my mind.

 

[Tefal]

There is nothing to sensationalise. Link

Abuse and gang affiliation in the US prison system is a problem and it is unlikely that Gary McKinnon will not fall victim to that in some way.

link

google is fun

 

[RDM]

The fact he can be extradited is the most major thing wrong with the whole case in my mind.

Why? Extradition is quite a useful tool as far as law enforcement goes.

 

[Tefal]

Tute, that covers UNAUTHORISED access to computer systems, hacking can be anything from making your OWN hardware do "neat things" to writing overflows for your OWN software. These are hacking and NOT illegal in any way.

are you saying the us gov gave him permission?

 

[Biohazard]

Why? Extradition is quite a useful tool as far as law enforcement goes.

When it is a so blatently single sided agreement?

I hardly find that useful at all for the UK.

Can you give good reason why this is beneficial here?

 

[Von Smallhausen]

link

google is fun

I have not said that it doesn't happen in the UK Tefal.

What I have said, and I stand by it, is that the US syatem has a greater problem with it.

I think he would get a fairer trial and more proportionate sentencing, if convicted, in the UK.

 

[dangerstat]

are you saying the us gov gave him permission?

No I was pointing out that all hacking is not illegal.

 

[Rroff]

I an inclined to believe this is rubbish. And if it is true, he should in a secure place where he can't do damage to himself or others if he "doesn't know the deal or consequences of his actions".

As someone who has grown up with a couple of acquaintances with aspergers - they genuinely don't always have a concept of what is and isn't acceptable... and as they tend to suffer acutely from OCD even when they do know its quite hard for them to deal with it when they feel the compulsion to do something... unfortunatly from my experience once they get into their 20s or so they realise they can use it as a scapegoat for just about anything even when they do know differently.

I think that releasing him to the US penal system which seems to be even less aware of aspergers than even here would be an injustice until the details of the exact nature of the implications due to it in this case are worked out.


TBH in this case imo the only way to really fairly try it - is with an american jury within the English justice system - seeing as its essentially a potential crime against their people by someone who should be tried within the framework of this countries legal system.

 

[dangerstat]

TBH in this case imo the only way to really fairly try it - is with an american jury within the English justice system - seeing as its essentially a potential crime against their people by someone who should be tried within the framework of this countries legal system.

Don't think that's feasible, firstly he's admitted on multiple occasions he's guilty. The UK government just need to grow a pair and demand
[A] The maximum sentence cannot exceed 2 Years
The sentence must be served in a minimum security facility or otherwise in the UK

Looking at the appeal hearing details, it appears Gary was offered a "deal" by the US where he'd serve 6-12 months in a min security jail in the US and then (almost certainly) be sent back to the UK. On balance thinking maybe he should have accepted that :/

 

[meghatronic]

I'd just like to point out that 'hacking' does not constitute breaking the law in any way. Most of us here have probable dabbled with 'hacking' at some point - since it is simply programming. You hack the code to your liking.

Er.... lol.

Extradite?! HELL NO!

This guy is a legend, and should be used as a strategic military asset to further gain intelligence on the US. In fact, might as well feed him lies that other countries harbour extra-terrestrial material, then we can unleash him on China, India, Korea etc.

From the sounds of it, he didn't exactly do anything difficult. Just used standard passwords etc. Basically, it embarrassed the US.

The UK government just need to grow a pair and demand
[A] The maximum sentence cannot exceed 2 Years
The sentence must be served in a minimum security facility or otherwise in the UK

You do know who leads this country, don't you? Grow a pair... LOL. As if.

 

[Biohazard]

Basically, it embarrassed the US.

I think thats it.

 

[dangerstat]

I think thats it.

Of course, he used a Perl script to do blank / default password guessing. And got caught out by doing a remote take-over when someone was actually logged in to the machine because he ****ed up the time zones He's certainly no Einstein

 

[Rroff]

Looking at the appeal hearing details, it appears Gary was offered a "deal" by the US where he'd serve 6-12 months in a min security jail in the US and then (almost certainly) be sent back to the UK. On balance thinking maybe he should have accepted that :/

IIRC there were valid concerns that he would have been treated far worse than that once he was actually in the US legal system had he taken that deal with no one in a position to take the US to account for it with any clout.

 

[dangerstat]

IIRC there were valid concerns that he would have been treated far worse than that once he was actually in the US legal system had he taken that deal with no one in a position to take the US to account for it with any clout.

Yes but perhaps that was the time to as the government for support - in essence it would have been far easier to get the UK to say "okay guarantee those terms and we'll let him go, otherwise go fish"

 

[Biohazard]

Of course, he used a Perl script to do blank / default password guessing. And got caught out by doing a remote take-over when someone was actually logged in to the machine because he ****ed up the time zones He's certainly no Einstein

I don't actually know or have read much on the technicalities of the breach/attack.

More the political fallout.