Hewlett Packard workers to strike

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Manlove is my forte said:
My personal opinion is, that if the employees continue to stand back and take this treatment much longer, things will never bounce back. The Upper management need to recognise that the Staff are an asset not a commodity.
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that will never happen, everyone is expendable. If the staff don't like it most high level companies couldn't give a flying ****, they'll watch you walk and get some monkey in weeks later to replace you. Fact of life, it happens all the time.
 
[TW]Fox;15442498 said:
Why are you struggling due to the recession, you are employed and you have not taken a pay cut?

The things you want to buy have got cheaper as a result of the recession.

Oil crashed from $150 and petrol came down from 130p a litre as a result of the recession.

Air travel hit rock bottom prices this year as a result of the recession.

Mortgage interest rates are at unprecedented lows.

The recession has benefited most people who remained in work.

Yet you think you are struggling? Why?
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Sorry Fox but none of the above is true as far as I can see.

Pre-recession petrol was at 1.35 here it's now at 1.40.

Flights to america July 2008 were under 400€ this July we couldn't go as flights were 750€

Prices of basic food supplies soared world wide the last two years no food prices have been reduced.

I'm renegotiating my mortage first time since 2003 then I got 4.05 fixed now it's 4.10 fixed again no reduction.

Of course these are only FACTS based on real life I'm sure you can drum up some statistics to prove me wrong ;)

To the guy who hasn't had any wage rise since 2007 you are now effectively working for 5% less than you did 2 years ago. But the destruction of organised workers unions in most companies is to blame for that, how many workers in HP will have 1000s of shares in HP and will benefit from the dividend that's been demanded. Rich getting richer anyone?
 
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I think fox was talking about the UK rather than Belgium.

I'm certainly better off than I was 3 years ago, just remortgaged and will be saving about £300 a month on that alone! Far more than any payrise I've ever had. Flights seem a lot cheaper as well, it was costing me about £200 to fly to Munich and back a couple of years ago but now it's down to under £100.
 
Yes the UK is benefitting from their currency being devalued by 30% against the euro this of course will make imported goods cheaper and since the UK manufactures nothing this I suspect will mean most goods are now cheaper.
 
jas72 said:
Yes the UK is benefitting from their currency being devalued by 30% against the euro this of course will make imported goods cheaper and since the UK manufactures nothing this I suspect will mean most goods are now cheaper.
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No, it makes imported goods more expensive - this is probably the only reason we've avoided CPI deflation. The UK is still a large exporter - and growing larger thanks to the weak pound. We are still a net importer however.
 
amigafan2003 said:
We've been told there will be a bonus pot but that it will be very small (£300 ish) and it will only be for "stellar performers" (1% of employees - i.e. senior management).
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Where did your information come from? Line management? Bonuses should be given as a % of your salary - I certainly don't know what mine will be yet.

I had a .ppt listing the dates somewhere...think they're announced on dec 15thish?

As Fox says, for those in work in the UK - it has been possible to ride the storm well. I for one feel extremely fortunate.
 
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It staggars me that you continue to work for them if you hate your employer this much. Seriously, is it worth the stress?
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You're bloody joking aren't you? I'm not stressed in the slightest and enjoying every waking moment of this fight :-)

Where did your information come from? Line management?
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I'm not going to name names on a public forum but it was from the UK HR senior management team.


And for what it's worth - I'm incredibly proud to be a HP employee - my team, colleagues and customers (DWP) are the best people I've ever worked with.

The upper senior management and CEO's however - well - I think you can guess my opinions on them.
 
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There definitely are bonuses and definitely NO payrises. You must have seen the mails from the boss!
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I have seen those emails but you're deluded if you think you'll get a bonus and that if you do that the bonus will be more than a pittance. You're gonna need a top FPR banding or image terms box 1 to have even a sniff of a bonus (top banding = 1% of employees).

Edit: - ahh - I think you might have been trying to be a little sarcastic in your response - i.e. don't believe a word they say.
 
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You think you're getting a £600 bonus?


Hahahahahahahahha

Hahahahahahaha

Sorry, let me catch my breath.

Hahahahahahahah!


I'd love a £600 bonus - that'll pay for my days off on strike so I can strike for longer!
 
You can leave your hahaha for when I forward you my payslip when it arrives! I know of at least 3 others in the same position.
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I'll tell you what - I'll give you £5 when you pm me your payslip with a £600 bonus payment on it.

You're not senior management are you?
 
amigafan2003 said:
I'll tell you what - I'll give you £5 when you pm me your payslip with a £600 bonus payment on it.

You're not senior management are you?
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Could you not make it more than £5?? Post back on this thread and I'll show you. I'm not messing here. These figures have been confirmed in past week. And no I'm not in any form of managment.
 
Manlove is my forte said:
Part of the reason for the strikes is that HP - Enterprise Services (formally EDS) Is the only section in the company with year on year profit increases from last year and the year before.

If HP had not purchased EDS then it would be seeing a 20% year on year drop in profits. Rather than a (marginal) increase in profits year on year. -Note I said Profit not revenue. a 20% drop in profit is still a profit.

Yet it is HP Enterprise services that has had to take 2 years of pay freezes (the rest of HP were entitled to Pay rises and a bonus last year EDS wasn't) a 5 % paycut (followed by a further 10% paycut in the US for one month) and 80-90% of the layoffs HP has made. The HP Manufacturing sections have been largely untouched in the whole affair.

Another fact to consider is that The IT service industry is largely untroubled by short term recessions due to the length of contracts with customers, and the fact that other companies which are looking to make cutbacks will turn to outsourcing their IT. The CEO of HP said as much about this time last year.

So HP Enterprise Services Staff feel bloody hard done by that they are contributing the majority of the success of the company, they are the ones who are enabling the massive executive bonuses ($42 million for the CEO last year), they are the ones which are making a massive contribution to the Share price rising over the last 2 years rather than dropping.

The simple fact is there is no justification for the actions being taken other than corporate greed. HP is making more profit than it did last year, and more profit than the year before, before the Credit Crunch and Recession had occurred.

The Employees of HP Enterprise Services have every right to feel hard done by and every right to take industrial action to draw attention to the fact that they are unhappy with the direction the management is taking the company.
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Spot on.
 
jas72 said:
Yes the UK is benefitting from their currency being devalued by 30% against the euro this of course will make imported goods cheaper and since the UK manufactures nothing this I suspect will mean most goods are now cheaper.
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Are you for real?

There is an incredible amount of BS in this thread. Especially the posts regarding "lazy directors" doing no work. I've never heard so much rubbish in my life.
 
For the record, I've never once said the directors are lazy.







I think they work really hard to screw the employees over.
 
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