Why do BMW...

jamoor · 3 Dec 2009 at 20:27

Stick LEDs on the E39 and then take then off the E60 only to put them on on the facelift?

Fair enough the technology didn't exist back in 1996, but it was introduced on the facelift, so why not carry it on in the E60!

NickXX · 3 Dec 2009 at 20:29

I assume it gives them something else to do when they do an LCI. The new model always looks newer regardless, sticking LEDs on the back just give it an edge to make the facelift worthwhile.

Same as the way that they use Orange indicators, then go to clears.

[TW]Fox · 3 Dec 2009 at 20:30

So people who bought E60's in 2003/2004/2005 would have a reason to buy another one all over again when they facelifted it.

jamoor · 3 Dec 2009 at 20:40

They're trolling us.

Sukh · 3 Dec 2009 at 21:01

Bit silly if you ask me, its like they intentionally don't produce the best car until half way through the cycle. How many people actually sell their launch car to get a "LCI"?

[TW]Fox · 3 Dec 2009 at 21:04

I think its daft as well. Like the farce that is climate control.

E39 5 Series: Dual zone digital climate
E60 5 Series: Crappy twirly knob no digital climate
F10 5 Series: Dual zone digital climate

E36 3 Series: Dual zone digital climate
E46 3 Series: Single zone digital climate
E90 3 Series: Dual zone digital climate

Also LED rear lights appeared in 2003 on E46 Coupe. And were then NOT present on the 2005- E90 saloon :confused:

Or the bit where they introduce CELIS LED rear lights and Angel Eyes on the facelift E39 in 2000 yet the brand new X5, also launched here in 2000, came with crappy prefacelift E39 style lights and didnt get Angel Eyes until 2003 :confused:

Sukh · 3 Dec 2009 at 21:27

Another thing I noticed, might be obvious to everyone, but the lower grill follows quite a simple formula.

SE: (________________)

Sport: \__\ \_________/ /____/

mjt · 3 Dec 2009 at 21:41

indeed

NickXX · 3 Dec 2009 at 22:33

They made the boot handle wider on the e46 facelift too.

[TW]Fox · 3 Dec 2009 at 22:41

NickXX said:
They made the boot handle wider on the e46 facelift too.

They do some great stuff don't they.

I particularly like the reliability modification to the E39 rear cupholders on the facelift.

mjt · 3 Dec 2009 at 22:42

[TW]Fox;15454304 said:
They do some great stuff don't they.

I particularly like the reliability modification to the E39 rear cupholders on the facelift.

what, removing them?

[TW]Fox · 3 Dec 2009 at 22:42

mjt said:
what, removing them?

Yea, and replacing it with an oddments tray. You'd need something pretty 'odd' to actually FIT in this tray thats for sure.

mjt · 3 Dec 2009 at 22:44

i found that it was very useful for collecting dust

Mr_Sukebe · 4 Dec 2009 at 08:37

[TW]Fox;15453510 said:
I think its daft as well. Like the farce that is climate control.

E39 5 Series: Dual zone digital climate
E60 5 Series: Crappy twirly knob no digital climate
F10 5 Series: Dual zone digital climate

E36 3 Series: Dual zone digital climate
E46 3 Series: Single zone digital climate
E90 3 Series: Dual zone digital climate

That looks like BMW allowed some pratt of an accountant to get involved in car design requirements. It's exactly the type of thing that killed the UK car industry (well actually UK industry, not just the cars).

Django x2 · 4 Dec 2009 at 08:52

They changed the boot completely on the E60 LCI. Rofl.

Also, I prefer the climate in the E60 over the E39. It is digital in that its computer controlled. It just doesn't have an ageing 80's display to proove it

This is all, of course, just another reason why I really want to hold on chopping mine in, until the F10 LCI is out and about.

[TW]Fox · 4 Dec 2009 at 10:54

Lucero said:
Also, I prefer the climate in the E60 over the E39. It is digital in that its computer controlled. It just doesn't have an ageing 80's display to proove it

You mean the same sort of display thats back for the E90 and the F10? :confused:

Twirly knobs are, if anything, the ageing part. It was a cost cutting measure and nothing more.

Django x2 · 4 Dec 2009 at 11:03

Eh? The gubbins behind the units is the same it's only how they are controlled that is different. Its far cheaper to display numbers in a digital format accessed via a toggle button on a cheap screen than it is to produce circular, full rotary, ratchet, push active and autosensing controls. tbh

The F10 is still rotary controlled, sorry, "twirly knobbed" it just shows the numbers on the screen rather than round the control. Big whoop.

[TW]Fox · 4 Dec 2009 at 11:06

Twirely knobs are the sort of thing you get on a 1998 Citroen Xsara. Digital climate displays are the way most decent cars go, and the way BMW were going until they had a small blip with the E60 they've now sorted out again

Django x2 · 4 Dec 2009 at 11:08

[TW]Fox;15456624 said:
Twirely knobs are the sort of thing you get on a 1998 Citroen Xsara.

you would know

jamoor · 4 Dec 2009 at 11:11

[TW]Fox;15456624 said:
Twirely knobs are the sort of thing you get on a 1998 Citroen Xsara. Digital climate displays are the way most decent cars go, and the way BMW were going until they had a small blip with the E60 they've now sorted out again

I prefer the twirly things, means you get put it upto 32 degrees quicker

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