MMRPG's, FPS's etc - Griefing..fun or childish

gurusan said:
what the hell is griefing?
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intentionaly ruining someone elses gameplay... it's a grey area though

in my book if it's in the game mechs then tough luck, a lot of GMs dont see it this way though.... I used to get a real buzz imagining how much people hated me for 'ruining' there game, but thats what PVP is, just like in real life some people get a kick from this kind of thing, and as it's a MMO, I role play a evil thug from the comfort of my chair without legal problems (and hey it's fun)

I remember getting told to get off a roof in WOW by GM, I said, so it's ok then if I jump down and kill 100s with AOE, he said yeah thats fine but hiding on roof is a exploit as NPCs cant get you.

If you can do a certain thing in a MMO in my book it's in the rules..


I can still hear the carebears crying lol, boohoo I took months to earn that ship and you just blew it up for no reason, I'm gonna petition you.... 'go ahead, lol, big baby' etc etc ...gotta love roleplay haha (do I sound sick ?). then the followup arguments on forums about big meanies blowing them up, it's fun to be hated, you become infamous within the game world, and that is the only way to win a MMO


don't play MMOs any more as RL is way to important, but it was fun while it lasted...


people who get upset by griefers are either

1. sado's who need to get a life

2. to newb at the game and need to learn the game mechs, in a way I'm helping them as they wont make the same mistake twice


In eve many people I killed ended up joining my corp as they liked the thouight of blowing stuff up and looting other peopls hard work
 
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oh.

I have to admit then a few months back I was playing drunk on a friendly fire CoD4 server and this dude was ****ing me off accusing me of cheating, eventually resorting to cussing at me. So I used a class with 3 stun grenades and kept stunning him over and over..waiting til the stun ALMOST wore off only to stun him again so he could never see anything and was always in slowmo. It made me laugh in an evil way muaha

He flung some more profanities at me and left. Job done. :D
 
PKing is completely different to griefing, as mentioned above. If it's part of the game, fair enough. I always thought of griefers as the real life equivalent of lawful evil D&D characters. They obey the law in real life because there are consequences for not doing so, but take away the consequence and the ******** shines through, so to speak :p
 
Back in the day when the cap was 60 my guild (<Ye Olde Goone Squade> on EU TVC) were all about the griefing, we'd camp BRM with our horde pals and get them to MC allies who came through and we (as alliance) would slaughter them, we'd basically grief however whenever we could. As TBC/WoTLK came out we griefed less and less and focused more on PvE, we still grief people, just not nearly as much as we used to. I miss it so much.
 
Goone Squade! I had a friend join them towards then end of TBC before he quit, sounded a hilarious guild, the comedy sunwell boss guides were great.
 
Sleepery said:
PKing is completely different to griefing, as mentioned above. If it's part of the game, fair enough. I always thought of griefers as the real life equivalent of lawful evil D&D characters. They obey the law in real life because there are consequences for not doing so, but take away the consequence and the ******** shines through, so to speak :p
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I must admit that I have often wondered how many "griefers" would actually grief if everyones real name and home address were publicly available, or whether or not the sheer fear of real consequences would deter them from griefing. Would be interesting I think to try it as an experiment on a game and see how griefing is affected by it. It is curious just how much aggression people have in games, such anger and venom towards people. Its most curious indeed.
 
I agree with tombstone, I don't find it fun....on mmorpg's at least.

I used to occasionally chuck the odd he grenade down at spawn in cs though, for the lol's. I guess the fun is if the other players are taking it too seriously. In wow I used to just quit and do something else if I got spawn camped, so it never used to annoy me really.
 
Flukester said:
I hate to say that was all I used to play for...

WOW

once killed (by luck) a entire large raiding party of around 50 lower level alliance dudes with AOE on my mage... that was possibly the funniest thing I've ever seen.

Fun times...
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This part wasn't by any chance on zenedar server in the middle of ashenvale was it? because i remember a very similar situation only i was one of the many low level alliance members.
 
theo said:
This part wasn't by any chance on zenedar server in the middle of ashenvale was it? because i remember a very similar situation only i was one of the many low level alliance members.
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not sure as cant remember what server I was on, only hit arcane aoe thingy for fun, just didn't expect everyone to die :cool:


people get really upset in eve as you actually lose all your hard work when you get ganked... imo this is what makes eve so special, real risk


people in this thread shouldn't compare it with real life though, it's just a game...
 
If you mean Player Killing as a form of griefing then...

Griefing was always fun in UO and it was even fun to be griefed! Creating situations for people to come get some! ;)
 
Tombstone said:
I must admit that I have often wondered how many "griefers" would actually grief if everyones real name and home address were publicly available, or whether or not the sheer fear of real consequences would deter them from griefing.
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That would be even worse than computer game griefing, taking things to a real life level from a game is just beyond silly and I'd question the mental health of anyone that did that.

On topic: I've never purposely griefed anyone, I might have done it unknowingly but I can't say for sure. Some things though are funny even when it happens to you. Like on one of Team Roomba's TF2 videos when the Engineer teleported people to a position facing a wall and put a nsaty image as a spray so they were looking right at it - that's just a joke, and harmless for the most part. But other things like clearly getting outside the map area in FPS games, or abusing a broken mechanic in a mmo is not funny.
 
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MikeB said:
Similar to the other topic on cheating, have you ever griefed just for giggles.

My confessions are two fold, I used to be a big player on Asherons Call, when bored I'd run into the wilderness, attract as much crap as I can and make it all follow me back into town, mayhem ensued as loads of people standing in the 'safe' areas got massacred by the mobs, would be bodies everywhere.

At the time it was hilarious, looking back now it is still funny...will I go to hell?

Also couldn't beat C4 in a vechicule on a battlefield game, let the noob run into the tank,plane, heli...move off a bit....and BANG!
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Nice...a fellow AC player. I seem to recall Teth was a nasty spot for that kind of thing back in the day :)

I try to resist griefing unless someone on the server is an idiot...at which point I spend the entire game griefing.
 
Tombstone said:
I must admit that I have often wondered how many "griefers" would actually grief if everyones real name and home address were publicly available, or whether or not the sheer fear of real consequences would deter them from griefing. Would be interesting I think to try it as an experiment on a game and see how griefing is affected by it. It is curious just how much aggression people have in games, such anger and venom towards people. Its most curious indeed.
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Sorry but considering the amount of nutters out there thats just messed up, and has disaster written all over it.
 
I think Tombstone's point is, if you ran the risk of meeting face to face the person you were acting the arse towards, would you still grief them?
 
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