MMRPG's, FPS's etc - Griefing..fun or childish

[Tombstone]

That would be even worse than computer game griefing, taking things to a real life level from a game is just beyond silly and I'd question the mental health of anyone that did that.

I suppose there is a kind of logic to it, I mean its a game, just like any other game that a person might play.

For example, Chess is just a game too, but if I was playing chess and someone just decided to knock all the pieces off the board there would in all probability be consequences. Likewise if I was playing football and someone burst the ball, or if I was playing tennis and someone kept jumping in and whacking the ball over the court, there would quite possibly be repercussions. Its cause and effect if you like, someone acts like an arse to someone and there is the effect that the person gets some form of comeuppence. The big advantage of the internet of course is that its totally non-physical and anonymous, and as history has shown people tend to behave in the worst possible ways if anonymity is involved.

 

[Tombstone]

I think Tombstone's point is, if you ran the risk of meeting face to face the person you were acting the arse towards, would you still grief them?

Indeed.

Thats what I would be curious to know, how many would, if the potential of repercussions were involved, still do it. Armchair Warrior syndrome if you so want to call it or as one well known philosopher once said "The bravest of men are found in the safest of places".

I mean I have to believe that people do it because of the anonymity and lack of comeback, if I didnt think that way I would end up having to believe that everyone is just inherently bad mannered and lacking social graces. (which clearly I dont want to believe)

 

[Devlish]

Sorry but considering the amount of nutters out there thats just messed up, and has disaster written all over it.

Now CMON! its just the natural extension - idiots trash peoples characters in-game turning them into fellow idiots who trash them in real life. If you find griefing funny, that is probably the pinnacle of griefing, doing it for real. Take 'perma-destroy' guy - he loves having hate generated at him. How much MORE would someone else love to show him how annoyed they were at his antics? Whose to say one guy having fun in-game isnt any more valid than one guy having fun maiming him in real life? From a third person perspective, I would find that hilarious reading in the national newspapers. Of course griefers (in the non PK sense which I dont think is griefing) are only as brave as their annonimity so the targets would dry up quickly.

But we could only hope one would slip through. Of course it would be messed up, but holy hell, that would be funny.

 

[MikeB]

Nice...a fellow AC player. I seem to recall Teth was a nasty spot for that kind of thing back in the day

I try to resist griefing unless someone on the server is an idiot...at which point I spend the entire game griefing.

The place I am thinkingg of was the hell on earth to run to, had a lifestone in the middle and big crowds just mulling about. in the days when level 40+ was high level (I was over 60 at the time). Ex Solclaimer btw

 

[MikeB]

Now CMON! its just the natural extension - idiots trash peoples characters in-game turning them into fellow idiots who trash them in real life. If you find griefing funny, that is probably the pinnacle of griefing, doing it for real. Take 'perma-destroy' guy - he loves having hate generated at him. How much MORE would someone else love to show him how annoyed they were at his antics? Whose to say one guy having fun in-game isnt any more valid than one guy having fun maiming him in real life? From a third person perspective, I would find that hilarious reading in the national newspapers. Of course griefers (in the non PK sense which I dont think is griefing) are only as brave as their annonimity so the targets would dry up quickly.

But we could only hope one would slip through. Of course it would be messed up, but holy hell, that would be funny.

I am the perma destroy guy, in the game I was referring to, there was real genuine hatred developed between some PK's, there was only about 50 on a server of 1,000 population, so when you got the chance to wind them up ...you took it

 

[ChrisJSY]

Depends really, some people can be real **** in games with no repercussions, such as high level experienced people harassing low level new players.

I do believe it takes a certain mind-set of a Neanderthal, or a idiot to continually do it, in the minds of the victim you're nothing but a skill-less player.

However, I make it a goal that if it happens to me, I usually end up getting them back and I don't stop. Done it many a time, sweet, sweet revenge.

It just like real life and bullies, except they hide behind a PC but they still cry when things don't go their way.

 

[HeadlessChicken]

I used to fly a Gal in Planetside, load up 10 randomers, fly out to sea and boot them all out

 

[Tombstone]

Depends really, some people can be real **** in games with no repercussions.

I guess thats a bit like those people who grief their own "team" in MMOs that dont have full pvp. How many times have you all as MMO players encountered that person/s on your own side who is griefing...stealing kills or ninjaing loot or blocking something and thought..damnit..I wish this was a full pvp game so that I could attack them. Its certainly noticeable that you get a lot more people griefing their own side in faction based MMOs than you do in free for all MMOs and I see one blatant reason why that is, a common theme, lack of repercussion.

 

[MikeB]

I used to fly a Gal in Planetside, load up 10 randomers, fly out to sea and boot them all out

Now I am sorry....but that is just plain funny, similar thing on Battlefield is to fill the helicopter up ...fly out to see and jump

 

[Disjunto]

I used to fly a Gal in Planetside, load up 10 randomers, fly out to sea and boot them all out

oh god, planetside gal + dropouts on map change.... that was hell, accidental griefing right there

 

[afraser2k]

Used to do something like that with Battlefield 2 when we had the Black Hawks. We'd just load them up then fly out to sea and any passengers would parachute in water and take ages to swim back into action if they'd had enough. Also, we could fly out of the battlefield and let the timer run down.

 

[HeadlessChicken]

Other quality PlanetSide griefs / hacks;

1) Loading up a Sunderer, driving towards a cliff full whack then bailing

2) You used to be able to plat boomers on the ceiling in bases, then as a vehicle drove over the top you could blow it and damage the vehicle. Great fun to plant 5+, drop the triggers and set all off at once with a jammer. Brought down BFR's in 1 hit!

3) Similar to 2, the maelstrom would damage through stairs, so you could spam the underneath of stars and get 100's of kills

4) My outfit once all got loadsters (about 20 of us) and just bailed them all into a base

5) If you set a router exit in the right place between boxes in an interlink basement, you'd spawn in, then just be stuck. I found this out by accident during an Interlink siege, I snuck in as a cloaker, dropped the pad, and spammed /contall to use the router. About 50 people got stuck there (couldn't even draw weapons to suicide / tk), and the enemy pushed us out of the courtyard

 

[lofarl]

I sometimes sneak into Orgrimmar an gank pvp flagged toons on my rogue. The lower the level the better. Nothing beats killing some dude at the AH or bank and vanishing again. I usually only kill em once and dont camp em. In wintergrasp everyones fair game except those that are fishing.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

Griefing: Childish or fun?

Both.

 

[MikeB]

Totally agree!

 

[Rroff]

not sure as cant remember what server I was on, only hit arcane aoe thingy for fun, just didn't expect everyone to die


people get really upset in eve as you actually lose all your hard work when you get ganked... imo this is what makes eve so special, real risk


people in this thread shouldn't compare it with real life though, it's just a game...

I've taken to builds that don't require implants and running around in tricked out T1 frigates or ships ~2 levels below my current skills - makes the game far less frustrating.

Saw someone with I think the name tyler but might have been tiller smart bomb jita awhile back heh.

 

[nubonamission]

I think Team Roomba's TF2 griefing is hilarious Youtube it!

Yeah that vid is awesome

 

[Snaggle]

Pre tramel UO . Pack of dragons or WW's and popping over to WB with a few mates to loot going "ALL KILL" Eq'ing houses . Castinf fire/poison walls into houses.. Stealing house keys and looting people blind. Disarm/Steal . Oh the days .

Used to do abit in WOW but never as much fun .

Persil

 

[Ampeg]

SWAT 4 was an amazing game for a bit of griefing, tazering your chosen team mate so he was stuck and convulsing for as long as you like never gets old .

 

[russ0r]

Did it all the time in WoW when levelling alts. Gank people and camp them, before long you have some mains logged, then they call their guildies to help, woop woop world PvP!