Brussels gives CIA the power to search UK bank records

mattheman · 6 Dec 2009 at 02:07

europe is the last state of the US.

THE CIA is to be given broad access to the bank records of millions of Britons under a European Union plan to fight terrorism.

The Brussels agreement, which will come into force in two months’ time, requires the 27 EU member states to grant requests for banking information made by the United States under its terrorist finance tracking programme.

In a little noticed information note released last week, the EU said it had agreed that Europeans would be compelled to release the information to the CIA “as a matter of urgency”. The records will be kept in a US database for five years before being deleted.

Critics say the system is “lopsided” because there is no reciprocal arrangement under which the UK authorities can easily access the bank accounts of US citizens in America.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6945972.ece

Efour · 6 Dec 2009 at 02:08

cool story bro

Jotun · 6 Dec 2009 at 02:09

Wow thats really interesting, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this matter and not just posting random news stories to get your post count up.

Ross1234 · 6 Dec 2009 at 02:10

WTF. Time to write to my MP. And that very hyprocritical of you "jotun" you are not contributing to the thread. Maybe it is you who is trying to increase their post count?

mattheman · 6 Dec 2009 at 02:11

Jotun said:
Wow thats really interesting, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this matter and not just posting random news stories to get your post count up.

if you dont like my posts then dont post simple, if you dont understand then dont post a reply simple.
Btw they can freeze your bank account if they think your a terrorist.
BTW i dont give a damn about post count.

Efour · 6 Dec 2009 at 02:12

hes turned into one of them meerkats on the car insurance adverts

Klo · 6 Dec 2009 at 02:15

I don't really get what the problem is here. If you don't like the post, don't reply?

Mr. Anderson · 6 Dec 2009 at 02:15

mattheman said:
if you dont like my posts then dont post simple, if you dont understand then dont post a reply simple.
Btw they can freeze your bank account if they think your a terrorist.

Hmmm, can they though?

It seems your post just says the CIA can see them. Which they already could have done, just now it is legal for them to do it.

Not really a problem if you aren't a terrorist. Who cares if some unknown cia agent 1000miles from here sees a transaction for something embarrassing.

They would only track suspected terrorists anyway.

I do agree with the lopsided comment. It seems only fair that MI6 be given access to US accounts if the US can access UK account

AHarvey · 6 Dec 2009 at 02:19

mattheman said:
if you dont like my posts then dont post simple, if you dont understand then dont post a reply simple.
Btw they can freeze your bank account if they think your a terrorist.

If he doesn't like your posts he is entitled to say so and it's not that he doesn't understand the post, he is complaining that you've just posted a news story without giving your view on it.

You may as well be an RSS feed for OCUK.

It doesn't take 2 mins to post your opinion, or at least let us know why you find it interesting enough to post

On topic, it really annoys me that the EU have decided that it is acceptable to let the CIA view my financial records if they so wish. I haven't read the full article, banging headache and very tired. I don't think my brain would fully take it all in right now

mattheman · 6 Dec 2009 at 02:21

AHarvey said:
If he doesn't like your posts he is entitled to say so and it's not that he doesn't understand the post, he is complaining that you've just posted a news story without giving your view on it.

i did post my view

Jotun · 6 Dec 2009 at 02:22

mattheman said:
if you dont like my posts then dont post simple,

meghatronic · 6 Dec 2009 at 02:25

As much as I hate the copy paste syndrome, he did offer an opinion "europe is the last state of the US.". Quite a succinct one I admit but to the point.

mattheman · 6 Dec 2009 at 02:27

meghatronic said:
As much as I hate the copy paste syndrome, he did offer an opinion "europe is the last state of the US.". Quite a succinct one I admit but to the point.

i try to keep them short, people dont read long posts.

Ross1234 · 6 Dec 2009 at 02:28

mattheman said:
i try to keep them short, people dont read long posts.

Yes they do

AHarvey · 6 Dec 2009 at 02:30

problem is that it isn't posted as an opinion, it's just a few words that he could have copied and posted from the article itself. Especially with his past posting style pointed out by Jotun.

Lets have a bit more of a in depth opening opinion from him and it would lead to more of a conversation about the topic and less of one of him being a RSS spam bot.

I would like to point out that some of the things posted by him I find interesting and think they would make a good debate, but his posting style in general causes this kind of reaction from people.

mattheman · 6 Dec 2009 at 02:34

Mr. Anderson said:
Hmmm, can they though?

It seems your post just says the CIA can see them. Which they already could have done, just now it is legal for them to do it.

Not really a problem if you aren't a terrorist. Who cares if some unknown cia agent 1000miles from here sees a transaction for something embarrassing.

They would only track suspected terrorists anyway.

I do agree with the lopsided comment. It seems only fair that MI6 be given access to US accounts if the US can access UK account

Because its been proven again and again that the over use their powers, just seems we are being told what to do and bending over while they ram us.
next minute they be asking for your medical records etc...

ac1d1ty · 6 Dec 2009 at 02:41

Mr. Anderson said:
Hmmm, can they though?

It seems your post just says the CIA can see them. Which they already could have done, just now it is legal for them to do it.

Not really a problem if you aren't a terrorist. Who cares if some unknown cia agent 1000miles from here sees a transaction for something embarrassing.

They would only track suspected terrorists anyway.

I do agree with the lopsided comment. It seems only fair that MI6 be given access to US accounts if the US can access UK account

*bangs head*

Its the little things that count. So another continent now has your records? What next? Where does it end?

This is a clear movement away from individualism in regards countries. More and more countries and liasing together in a very suspect way. I'm not paranoid about some new world order, but I do think people had keep an eye on the liberties they could end up losing.

Efour · 6 Dec 2009 at 03:03

Ask yourself Does it really matter though?

If your or another government agency targets you for whatever reason, they will do whatever they want behind closed doors to find out what they want to know. To think you are protected by a sheet of paper somewhere is naive.

Then to all the people that are in the "but where will it end" camp. It will end in Barcodes at birth and genetic samples being taken at birth.

I don't quite understand why people think they are free when the majority "freely" carry a mobile tracking device in their pocket. (myself included )

THat all comes across as a bit paranoid and cynical - im not really that mental - But i dont believe this actually makes one Iota of difference to 99.99999% of us or our daily lives...

Queue: "but where will this end!"

SkeeterUK · 6 Dec 2009 at 03:05

Screw americans wtf have they got to do with our banking.

Mr. Anderson · 6 Dec 2009 at 03:49

ac1d1ty said:
*bangs head*

Its the little things that count. So another continent now has your records? What next? Where does it end?

This is a clear movement away from individualism in regards countries. More and more countries and liasing together in a very suspect way. I'm not paranoid about some new world order, but I do think people had keep an eye on the liberties they could end up losing.

Hopefully it ends with a western global government.