Gordon Brown attacks public sector pay

mattheman · 7 Dec 2009 at 17:15

At last something been done about this, its getting out of hand, and even then 150k is still way too much.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...8/Gordon-Brown-attacks-public-sector-pay.html

The Prime Minister said that any new public sector appointment with a salary above £150,000 will now need formal approval from the Treasury. So too will any contract that could pay a bonus of more than £50,000.

[TW]Fox · 7 Dec 2009 at 17:17

What a ridiculous idea.

If you do not pay high end CEO salaries you will not get high calibre applicants to high end public sector jobs.

mattheman · 7 Dec 2009 at 17:22

[TW]Fox;15478006 said:
What a ridiculous idea.

If you do not pay high end CEO salaries you will not get high calibre applicants to high end public sector jobs.

why i see it as fair, they are in a public service they already get a good pension work less hours than the private sector, they dont have to worry about making a profit or a loss or company going under etc...

Burnsy2023 · 7 Dec 2009 at 17:24

mattheman said:
they dont have to worry about making a profit or a loss or company going under etc...

Which is half the problem of the private sector. I don't like privatisation, but the idea of public sector job security needs to go - especially for people who can't do their job.

Biohazard · 7 Dec 2009 at 17:25

mattheman said:
why i see it as fair, they are in a public service they already get a good pension work less hours than the private sector, they dont have to worry about making a profit or a loss or company going under etc...

They do when they are accountable for many things, and perhaps would like to work again in the future.

Fox - Very little people on here will agree with you.

Manlove is my forte · 7 Dec 2009 at 17:25

[TW]Fox;15478006 said:
What a ridiculous idea.

If you do not pay high end CEO salaries you will not get high calibre applicants to high end public sector jobs.

Eh, it doesn't say they won't pay above 150k it that if the job is worth 150k+ then there is sign off required.

Biohazard · 7 Dec 2009 at 17:25

Burnsy2023 said:
Which is half the problem of the private sector. I don't like privatisation, but the idea of public sector job security needs to go - especially for people who can't do their job.

So you don't want any security when you are finally a policeman?

Odd.

cotton_flex · 7 Dec 2009 at 17:25

[TW]Fox;15478006 said:
What a ridiculous idea.

If you do not pay high end CEO salaries you will not get high calibre applicants to high end public sector jobs.

The calibre is not high at all as it stands. Its all abit of friends network thing going on right at the top.

They need better recruitment at the current pay.

They need better procurement procedures as well for contracts - very matey around that area.

Biohazard · 7 Dec 2009 at 17:27

Manlove is my forte said:
Eh, it doesn't say they won't pay above 150k it that if the job is worth 150k+ then there is sign off required.

Anything at that money really is on the board of whichever department, but far more likely to be at senior civil serant level. Which are people who spend all day with ministers in whitehall, and around central london.

So all he is really doing is letting the treasury 'vet' CSC grades and government quangos.

Biohazard · 7 Dec 2009 at 17:27

cotton_flex said:
Its all abit of friends network thing going on right at the top.

Thats a problem at a lot of levels.

Burnsy2023 · 7 Dec 2009 at 17:28

Biohazard said:
So you don't want any security when you are finally a policeman?

Odd.

What I'm saying is that I've seen far too many people in the public sector who are incompetent. This happens much less in the private sector. If you're crap at your job you either get promoted out or just sit there being crap at your job. People in the public sector rarely get fired, especially in local government.

mattheman · 7 Dec 2009 at 17:28

[TW]Fox;15478006 said:
What a ridiculous idea.

If you do not pay high end CEO salaries you will not get high calibre applicants to high end public sector jobs.

there arnt any, and if they are its just a number of fingers u have.

V4NT0M · 7 Dec 2009 at 17:29

Is this really a big thing? How many people are newly employed or promoted to >£150k annually? Can't be a significant amount can it?

DanH84 · 7 Dec 2009 at 17:30

Burnsy2023 said:
Which is half the problem of the private sector. I don't like privatisation, but the idea of public sector job security needs to go - especially for people who can't do their job.

it isn't that secure at the moment.

Burnsy2023 · 7 Dec 2009 at 17:30

Skyfall said:
Is this really a big thing? How many people are newly employed or promoted to >£150k annually? Can't be a significant amount can it?

It's a bit of a non news story. People who deserve the pay above £150k will get it sanctioned. Simple as really.

Biohazard · 7 Dec 2009 at 17:30

Burnsy2023 said:
What I'm saying is that I've seen far too many people in the public sector who are incompetent. This happens much less in the private sector. If you're crap at your job you either get promoted out or just sit there being crap at your job. People in the public sector rarely get fired, especially in local government.

Local government has diddly squat to do with this however. Unless they have announced war against councils.

I agree with what your saying, but you have no real life view on this.

People are being sacked and being made redundant, buildings are closing.

Burnsy2023 · 7 Dec 2009 at 17:30

DanH84 said:
it isn't that secure at the moment.

Yes, but that's down to budgets not because you're good or bad at your job.

Biohazard · 7 Dec 2009 at 17:31

Skyfall said:
Is this really a big thing? How many people are newly employed or promoted to >£150k annually? Can't be a significant amount can it?

Not really, that is what I am saying. It doesn't really apply to the civil service as a whole.

DanH84 · 7 Dec 2009 at 17:31

mattheman said:
why i see it as fair, they are in a public service they already get a good pension work less hours than the private sector, they dont have to worry about making a profit or a loss or company going under etc...

at the pay levels of 150k+ I think they'd be working LOTS of hours.

DanH84 · 7 Dec 2009 at 17:33

Burnsy2023 said:
Yes, but that's down to budgets not because you're good or bad at your job.

the sensible solution at lower levels would be to forget about just getting rid of everyone on a fixed term agreement and make it a fair and open meritocratic process when looking at headcount efficiencies. That's how you'd get your managers and directors of tomorrow internally. Unfortunately short term budget constraints won't allow that.