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kylew said:
I don't see any "ownage" my self. What's going on then?
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I sold a puppy, from a very well reared and well "backed" litter. Next thing one of the buyers is going around telling everyone how she's a wonderful dog rescuer, and poor little puppy was abandoned in a box. Meanwhile people in the working dog world are wondering why my "carefully placed" pups are being abandoned??.... I call her out, and the public silence is deafening. I call that ownage, ymmv. :)
 
Rainmaker said:
I sold a puppy, from a very well reared and well "backed" litter. Next thing one of the buyers is going around telling everyone how she's a wonderful dog rescuer, and poor little puppy was abandoned in a box. Meanwhile people in the working dog world are wondering why my "carefully placed" pups are being abandoned??.... I call her out, and the public silence is deafening. I call that ownage, ymmv. :)
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I get that part, I was just expecting to see her responses where she's reduced to a blundering idiot.

It feels like you've missed some of the stuff out.
 
Rainmaker said:
LOL I am considering posting the email exchange... She shifts blame between her dad, her vet, then tries to make out I'd docked the pups illegally (despite having been handed a DEFRA certificate!).
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DO IT!

especially if she is claiming you illegally docked the puppy.
 
Rainmaker said:
Really? She's posting around the interwho that she found poor little Nula in a box (she's done it on other forums too), along with her other "rescue dogs", when actually she's purchased it from me. I'd say that's a pretty big BSer busted right there.

Maybe I just see it differently since it was MY reputation being tarnished when other working dog people recognised the pup....
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I guess you see it differently, but in your OP you claim she has "taken it upon herself to sign up to forums telling the world how she got the puppy after it was abandoned" but that doesn't appear to be the case, just some PMs.

But yes please do post the emails, we may yet get some enjoyment from them.
 
Why would you dock a dog?

Genuine question as going off TV [sorry, don't know many vets in real life] not many Vets think it should be done...
 
SiriusB said:
Why would you dock a dog?

Genuine question as going off TV [sorry, don't know many vets in real life] not many Vets think it should be done...
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Cosmetic reasons I think, for the ears at least.

For the tails, some dogs are quite "wag-happy" and are constantly breaking/injuring their tails and or breaking things with their tails, which is one of the reasons for having a vet "dock" a dog's tail.
 
Her said:
if you could delete that post it would be much appreciated. i just had to say that so we could keep her in my dads house which we rent and it stuck. please delete that post. nula is VERY loved here.
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Me said:
[SIZE=-1]You never once explained that you were buying a pup your landlord (father or not) would have not have allowed. I would have been very reluctant to sell under those circumstances, to anyone. In any case, that didn't necessitate you telling everyone on forums she was a rescue, with some huge story behind it.

I have replied to every email you sent me, and indeed received further replies back from you in return; apologies if some seem to have gone missing. A good friend of mine owns the server in the datacentre where the emails are routed, I'll be happy to get him to dig them out of the logs and re-send them if you have any information missing.

What kind of trouble have you had regarding the docking? You have a DEFRA certificate signed by a vet, so you have no legal worries. Do you mean medical issues? This is why every puppy owner received a sheet with my full name, address, email and phone numbers on it. You have plenty of ways to get in touch with me, and as I said I am always available to help should any issues arise. You have painted me in a very bad light, and seem to be trying to do so now again.

I have done everything required of a breeder, and more, and you were always free to contact me with any worries or concerns.[/SIZE]
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Her said:
We have since bought our home, it was just to keep him quiet in the process and he loves her more than us lol. Nula is honestly cracking and most definately safe, loved and has the best life, the best food etc.

No not medical issues the vets were asking lots of questions, lucky I know the vet and he advised me to tell people too that she was a rescue dog as she was docked far far too early & if people were asking questions we could be in trouble as docking is illegal. It was easier to say we didnt know her background as we do not ever want her parting from us.

We love her to bits didnt want any hassle from anybody asking questions about her, she certainly has no medical issues, shes a lively confident girl whos very sociable with everything she meets.
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Me said:
That is very concerning. Your vet is very much INCORRECT to the point of slander. Please forward me details of the practice so I can put my own vet in touch to clarify the fact they most certainly did not dock the pups "too early". In fact the docking age is set out by LAW, and is 100% LEGAL as well as approved by the veterinary community. That's what your DEFRA certificate is for, no need for "cover stories"... I explained all this to every buyer, and indeed on the puppy advice sheet. I'm surprised your vet hasn't reported mine to the RCVS, if that was his belief. After all, my vet's name and address are on the docking certificate!

Quite on the contrary, if you had "rescued" her and didn't have a certificate you WOULD be breaking the law. Only by buying her from an ethical breeder, with the microchip and DEFRA certificate, can you remain free of legal worries. To own a dog (by any means) with any dock and no paperwork is ILLEGAL - "rescued" or not. I'd like to speak to your vet first thing tomorrow to set him straight, if you'll be kind enough to get back to me with his details. Glad Nula is still doing well.

Many thanks,
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Her said:
Oh she is doing fine, loves her food and fish she is mad for it.

To be honest I am going to leave the reptile forum now. If you could delete your posts much appreciated. I have done nothing wrong, nula is loved and very well looked after here. If you could delete your posts in reply to me much appreciated.

I will send some pics of her to you, did you get the ones of her tshirt/dress?

Thats the last email i sent you and got no reply.
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[SIZE=-1]Glad to hear it. :)

Yes I did get those pics, and I did reply I promise you. I'm very sorry you didn't receive it, but I promise you it was sent - it was nice to hear from you with updates and I have never ignored contact from any of the buyers. You may feel you've done nothing wrong, but at the end of the day you've told lies (whether because of your father or the vet, or both?) and have tarnished my reputation in the process.

I'm fairly well known in the working dog world, as it's a tight knit one. I have had several calls wondering what on earth is going on for my puppies to end up abandoned, and it hasn't done me any good I can tell you! I've had a lot of explaining to do and I still have messages and calls coming in as I type! With that in mind, rather than deleting my post I'd much prefer if you could actually respond, and confirm that I am not an irresponsible breeder who allows his pups to end up on doorsteps! Not only that but perhaps salvage your own reputation in the process. I trust you understand where I'm coming from.

As requested in my previous email, please send over your vet's details as I'm very much looking forward to speaking to him tomorrow, and it would save time if you can send me the number to save me digging out the Yellow Pages. As I said, any problems or issues PLEASE contact me. It would avoid a lot of issues all round, and I really don't bite. ;)[/SIZE]
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So far, after that last push for the phone number of the vet who allegedly told her I'd docked the pups "too early" and that the dock is illegal - silence. I get the feeling a vet said no such thing, but then it wouldn't be the first thing she'd said that didn't add up.

I realise upon reflection this isn't so much ha-ha lol funny if you're not involved. But I hope I provided you some passing amusement at any rate. It's certainly true to say she's backed herself well into a corner, and changed the subject at every opportunity when pressed for answers/vet phone number/etc.

I just don't get the point of spinning yarns and telling porkies like this. Especially when the breeder (1) was already a member on that particular forum and (2) had advertised the pups on there four months ago if only she'd checked. lol She could have done my reputation some real damage if this had gone un-noticed. "Rainmaker peddles pups to idiots, they end up sat out in the rain in a cardboard box" etc.
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His post on the forum came across as spiteful and sarcastic. Hardly a professional approach.

All for defending his reputation but my personal opinion is that it could have been handled a bit better than some public outing and then posting here with a topic subject of "OWNED"
 
I hate those forums, was a member until it became overran with kids and idiots that think they know everything. It's a terrible, terrible forum.
 
I have had several calls wondering what on earth is going on for my puppies to end up abandoned
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Can you explain this a little more, did a lot of people recognise your puppy from a picture she posted?
 
Perhaps I'm just not clued up on the whole dog breeding scene, but what does this individual have to gain from claiming they rescued a dog rather than buying it from yourself?

Furthermore, if the person is claiming they found the dog abandoned, how has this had an impact on yourself? Are people really able to tell which breeder a dog came from just looking at a single photo?
 
His forum response could have been more measured. I suspect anger got the better of Rainmaker when he posted but I wouldn't go so far as to say he has damaged his reputation.
 
Talk about using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. She was wrong, is obviously a bit slow (from her e-mails) and, I'd guess, meant no harm - rather to try and join in with a community of which she is now outcast.

Seriously, you could have gone about this in a much better way. Reverse ownage, IMO.
 
Al Vallario said:
Perhaps I'm just not clued up on the whole dog breeding scene, but what does this individual have to gain from claiming they rescued a dog rather than buying it from yourself?

Furthermore, if the person is claiming they found the dog abandoned, how has this had an impact on yourself? Are people really able to tell which breeder a dog came from just looking at a single photo?
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If it's a small enough community, you can recognise a dog's heritage from a photo, yes. And that means you know who bred it.
 
Al Vallario said:
Perhaps I'm just not clued up on the whole dog breeding scene, but what does this individual have to gain from claiming they rescued a dog rather than buying it from yourself?

Furthermore, if the person is claiming they found the dog abandoned, how has this had an impact on yourself? Are people really able to tell which breeder a dog came from just looking at a single photo?
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This puzzles me a little bit too. It is not like each dog has RAINMAKER branded on their forehead! :p

Though I suppose a vet could see where a dog came from if it is ever rescued via the microchip. But again, once someone walks away with a dog there is not a lot the breeder can do. It would hardly be their fault. Yes they should ensure the buyer appears capable of looking after a dog, but you never can tell.
 
I haven't fully read the story but all gets resolved.

I don't think you've done yourself any harm. You've come across as a genuine dog breeder and obviously want to keep your reputation. It's good to know that there are people like yourself rearing dogs as you have a genuine care.
 
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