Which positions are these, all the people I know in the public sector workforce are needed, in fact they are short staffed.
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Which positions are these, all the people I know in the public sector workforce are needed, in fact they are short staffed.
Biohazard, I agree and disagree with you in equal measure having read your comments in this thread. Burnsy makes a fair point, but overstates it. There's a fairly large number of incompetent/lazy/useless workers in the public sector, not a majority by any means but far more than you'd find in private companies. Before you go throwing the age old "ha you obviously have never worked in the public sector" I have for the past 12 years. Education department, central council and now in the NHS, prior to that I worked in a small private company.
There has always been a small number of utterly useless members of staff, generally only there because they know they'd never get paid anywhere near as much privately and somehow the management in the place completely overlooks their obvious failings, screw ups and lack of willingness to work. That simply wouldn't happen in a private company.
The other thing that happens far, far more in most local government places I've worked in is long term sickness. NHS and local councils seem powerless to ditch staff who have been off constantly for years on end, meaning the rest of the department has to take on their workload.
However the main problem is the number of managers, fortunately where I work now I have a great boss and good, strong-minded head of department. It's a first though since I started working in the public sector. Most of the management teams I've been working under or met in the past have been utterly useless, with one or two good people and the rest all there to seemingly make peoples lives a misery and increase the paperwork and decrease the efficiency of employees.
Any government will have a huge problem on their hands though - the unions. The power they have in the public sector is truely sickening and it ties the hands of so many of there "overpaid" management types who can't actually do much to improve performance when they're unable to ditch garbage staff or reward those who actually put the time and effort in.
I work in the public sector, I'm happy to take the jibes people take about this daft stereotype they have of public sector workers, but what really gets me frustrated is when people deny that there are utterly useless people raking in a damn fortune for simply turning up (or not!) and sitting on their backsides whilst their co-workers are forced to carry them - for the team.
It wouldn't be meaningless if you knew what I was talking about.
It wasn't random, it was just something you didn't understand.
There is a difference.
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because they make up new rules that need new job roles, rather than letting the frontline staff like doctors nurses police etc... do there jobs, rather than spend most of their time filling in papers bullied by empowered small minded incompetence jobworths.
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You having problems in your office? Speak to a jobsworth manager but hope you never get sacked as a public sector job will never be an option will it?
1. That is poor management. Should be dealt with in MPPA (or equivalent.)
2. They seem powerless to you because you no nothing of the private medical details of the people you see who are 'endlessly on the sick'. If they were taking the mick, it again should be dealt with in MPPA
3. Management is always the problem. Either through failings (retaining poor staff) or lack of knowledge. Good management is rare.
4. The government does not fear CS unions, look at my PCS link for example. They rough shod over everything and rip up agreements they made with us, the employees.
5. People are idiots.
One of the most balanced posts in this thread.
Why don't you try replying to my question then? Because your first post was a bit of a rant, aimed at no one.
You having problems in your office? Speak to a jobsworth manager but hope you never get sacked as a public sector job will never be an option will it?
nope , but i do have a problem with the level of jobworths, this only increases what the gov takes from me.
Over the last 12 years labour have provide imaginary jobs, leading to a national deficit that private workers have to pay in the end.
talent you are forcing out of the public services because of your targets etc... and this is why they need to be paid more., because of the incredibly crap culture of top down bullying and uselessness uneducated jobsworths.
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Well, seeing as you insist, I'll look some of it up.
"epeen - Behavior quite commonly found on online discussion boards or similar, where some looser tries to establish his superiority - and thus the merit of his or her opinion - by stating how skilled and awesome he or she is, rather than forming a sound argument. "
Now that sums your reply up pretty well. Thanks
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Which one? I support the civil service overall, having worked on both sides and currently receiving civil service benefit as per certain individuals in this thread.
Well, seeing as you insist, I'll look some of it up.
"epeen - Behavior quite commonly found on online discussion boards or similar, where some looser tries to establish his superiority - and thus the merit of his or her opinion - by stating how skilled and awesome he or she is, rather than forming a sound argument. "
Now that sums your reply up pretty well. Thanks
You were coming across all 'I know all' about union reps, when actually you know **** all.
Reason your figures show little work from them is facility time. If that wasn't the case, that person should be dismissed. Regardless of other 'duties' or positions they might hold.
Want to explain what benefits (save for pensions) that public sector workers get at a higher rate than private sector workers ??
You're the one who started talking jargon to sound all clever and superior. All I said is I worked for a while producing performance data.
I can see this going in circles with you
I'd have sacked you before you walked in my office No I really thought you would know what I'm going on about as that is how my department deals with performance figures (pacesetter/lean), does it really matter that you didn't know or understand? No, and it wasn't jargon to sound clever. I don't need to do that you see.
No what you said was this:
"There are quite a few free loaders dotted around the public sector - from my experience they are usually union reps - IE untouchable."
"Having previously worked producing staff performance figures I think I have a fair idea of who works hardest and who doesn't. But I'd rather not go into any detail thanks.
I can only speak from my experience though. As I said, the vast majority work very hard. "
So a lot are freeloaders, and then they work very hard?
Did you pay a lot of attention to your work Bug?
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Want to explain what benefits (save for pensions) that public sector workers get at a higher rate than private sector workers ??
He's contacting J.K. Rowling, needs a good bit of fiction before the reply
I've worked in local government since I left school. I have been fortunate enough to remain employed for 17 years now and gain a few promotions along the way. I'm damn sure that this is because I've worked hard too.
I'm sure that some people think that we don't have to pay Council Tax, don't have kids to worry about, bills to pay or that we are infact human beings like the rest of society!
Well I do pay Council Tax, have kids, pay my bills, and I am infact a human being just like many people trying to live their lives and better themselves.
I have been subject to a job evaluation not so long ago and I am now facing being £4000 per year worse off in a role that is already significantly underpaid compared to the private sector! And now we are going through an efficiency review which will mean job losses which is obviously something else to worry about.
I'm not suggesting that I or any other Council worker should be exempt from these worries as it is systematic of current times. However, it sticks in my throat that a majority (usually those that can't be bothered to better themselves) think that we are all shirkers and have it easy. The fact is that the majority of us work damn hard for less pay than we may get in the private sector but with what was once the reassurance of job security and decent working conditions.
If many people think that working in local government is the cushiest type of job you can have then they should be going out of their way to secure a job!
I'm sure that some people think that we don't have to pay Council Tax, don't have kids to worry about, bills to pay or that we are infact human beings like the rest of society!
Well I do pay Council Tax, have kids, pay my bills, and I am infact a human being just like many people trying to live their lives and better themselves.
I have been subject to a job evaluation not so long ago and I am now facing being £4000 per year worse off in a role that is already significantly underpaid compared to the private sector! And now we are going through an efficiency review which will mean job losses which is obviously something else to worry about.
I'm not suggesting that I or any other Council worker should be exempt from these worries as it is systematic of current times. However, it sticks in my throat that a majority (usually those that can't be bothered to better themselves) think that we are all shirkers and have it easy. The fact is that the majority of us work damn hard for less pay than we may get in the private sector but with what was once the reassurance of job security and decent working conditions.
If many people think that working in local government is the cushiest type of job you can have then they should be going out of their way to secure a job!