You're so worried about stats and measurements it's a wonder you even factor in how the actual pictures is to you
'Expensive ' cables - Worth it ?
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You're so worried about stats and measurements it's a wonder you even factor in how the actual pictures is to you
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You're so worried about stats and measurements it's a wonder you even factor in how the actual pictures is to you
another assumption. you sir, are a fool.
Careful pal, no need to get personal.
You still haven't weighed in about analogue cables
How about taking your own advice? You started getting personal as soon as you questioned people's intelligence.
That's the same thing as calling some one a fool, you just implied it rather than outright saying it.
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im not getting person - it's quiet evident.
and weighed in? hang on just a second there marscay, you didnt aswer my question did you?
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You still havent answered it, so i will: no you can't. Actually that's a lie - yes you can, but nobody has dared
As far as my opinion on analogue cables go, i've stated it time and time again - They can make a hell of a difference, in the right environment. the same goes for any analogue signal pushed down a cable, including but not limited to speaker cable.
The moral of the story is: think first. Dont compare cables to tv's and ask a laughable question like that: you'll get shot down if you do that.
this is me on analogue cables btw. as if you need proof http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13974212&postcount=66
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How about taking your own advice? You started getting personal as soon as you questioned people's intelligence.
That's the same thing as calling some one a fool, you just implied it rather than outright saying it.
What no reply to my previous post answering all of your questions?
Let me guess ......you have no frame of reference to be even talking about analogue cables so perhaps you'd rather start attacking me instead?
Before anyone gets their skirt torn it was a little jig because he didn't get my reference, he understood that so i don't know why you are trying to score points of it right now???? I didn't outright call anybody a fool unlike James.
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Listen no offence, but if you are going to dish it out then be prepared to take it. dont go questioning somebody's education without expecting something back and if you do do it....make sure you're damn certain you are right.
now we can all make up and be happy little boys, lets face it thats preferable.
if you feel like you shot me down, congratulations mr wayne.
i find it funny that you actually agree with me about cables yet chose to attack me instead regardless of how i tried to put my point across - you knew exactly what i meant yet still decided to be hostile and score points.
is it any wonder i find you constantly having these kind of arguments with users on this board, issues much????
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interesting - so you think because i agree with you about cables (in principal) that i should overloock such a redonkulous question like:
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Not a chance. If you're wrong or missinformed, i'll let you know - that's your problem if you take issue with it. At the end of the day I'm not a school girl marscay - I don't take sides regardless of who's right and wrong
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dont worry, we're all bestest buddies really!! *group hug*
You're terribly anal man ....you must be a pleasure to live with.
I wasn't asking you to take sides, this is a discussion not a war (???)
It was just interesting that you chose not to participate in the actual discussion of cables and tried scoring points because my analogy wasn't perfect - i think you knew perfectly well what i meant regarding eyes versus ears but chose to be the big man instead ....and in the process calling me a fool no less.
I think you lifted up your skirt for just a little bit there
I wasn't asking you to take sides, this is a discussion not a war (???)
It was just interesting that you chose not to participate in the actual discussion of cables and tried scoring points because my analogy wasn't perfect - i think you knew perfectly well what i meant regarding eyes versus ears but chose to be the big man instead ....and in the process calling me a fool no less.
I think you lifted up your skirt for just a little bit there
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right then, no problem then is there? you wanted proof i gave you proof. end of argument.
points?? i dont think so lol.It was just interesting that you chose not to participate in the actual discussion of cables and tried scoring points because my analogy wasn't perfect - i think you knew perfectly well what i meant regarding eyes versus ears but chose to be the big man instead ....and in the process calling me a fool no less.
I think you lifted up your skirt for just a little bit there
Well that was fun ...what now?
Digital cables?
No, now it's on to competitive gaming and why people run their games at 640x480 at lowest settings with contrast on max despite having a 4870X2 in an i7 PC on a 24" monitor.
The Anstendig Institute has been able to set up two complete sound systems in separate rooms, both of which use the same components except for the cables. One room used entry-level Audiophile cables (Monster Reference) and the other room used high-end cables (Monster “M” series). We used and compared the two systems for over a year5. We familiarized ourselves over long periods of time with the same recordings in each of the rooms and both rooms played mono, so that we could concentrate on musical content.
It is our firm conviction that there were differences in the playback between the two rooms and that those differences lie in the most important aspect of sound, especially music: the expressive nuances. Since both rooms had equalizers,6 differences in instrumental and other timbre were minimal. But there were important differences in delicacy and accuracy of nuance between the rooms, and those differences became negligible when we replaced the Reference cables with “M” cables.
Differences in expressive content are difficult to describe and to prove. We have familiarized ourselves enough with the differences in experience between the two rooms to be able to confidently say that the music contained noticeably more subtlety in the “M” cable room and that it “moved” us more deeply due to that added expressivity.
But audiophiles want immediately hearable, objective proof. And so did we. While we have always felt that we heard more expressive nuance with better cables, it was exceedingly difficult to find an example that is both informational and expressive in which we could clearly hear something with the better cables that was obviously missing with the lesser cables. We found it in E. Power Biggs’ record “Heroic Music for Organ and Brass”. In the first selection, the famous “Trumpet Voluntary”, the trumpet trill on the second note of the theme clearly demonstrated an objective, hearable informational-expressive difference between the two rooms. This trumpet player has a particularly wonderful, overtone-rich tone, without harshness or hard edges on attacks, a tone bordering on a true “dolce”. Thus the trill is particularly rich in first order harmonics, which give the sound a regal, wonderfully relaxed, elegant richness. In the “M” cable room, these harmonics were not only clear in timbre, but also clearly articulated in the trill. In the “reference-cable” room, the timbre of the harmonics was still there, but clearly less rich. Most importantly, the articulation of the harmonics during the trill was smeared and unclear and a slight hardness had crept in on attacks. In other words, only the better cable was able to clearly pass the complex fast articulation of the harmonics in the trumpet trill and the subtle, delicate, but extremely fast “rise’ of the tone on the attack. The extreme speed of the trill highlights otherwise less noticeable shortcomings of the lesser cables--shortcomings that do have a profound effect on the final musical experience.
It is our firm conviction that there were differences in the playback between the two rooms and that those differences lie in the most important aspect of sound, especially music: the expressive nuances. Since both rooms had equalizers,6 differences in instrumental and other timbre were minimal. But there were important differences in delicacy and accuracy of nuance between the rooms, and those differences became negligible when we replaced the Reference cables with “M” cables.
Differences in expressive content are difficult to describe and to prove. We have familiarized ourselves enough with the differences in experience between the two rooms to be able to confidently say that the music contained noticeably more subtlety in the “M” cable room and that it “moved” us more deeply due to that added expressivity.
But audiophiles want immediately hearable, objective proof. And so did we. While we have always felt that we heard more expressive nuance with better cables, it was exceedingly difficult to find an example that is both informational and expressive in which we could clearly hear something with the better cables that was obviously missing with the lesser cables. We found it in E. Power Biggs’ record “Heroic Music for Organ and Brass”. In the first selection, the famous “Trumpet Voluntary”, the trumpet trill on the second note of the theme clearly demonstrated an objective, hearable informational-expressive difference between the two rooms. This trumpet player has a particularly wonderful, overtone-rich tone, without harshness or hard edges on attacks, a tone bordering on a true “dolce”. Thus the trill is particularly rich in first order harmonics, which give the sound a regal, wonderfully relaxed, elegant richness. In the “M” cable room, these harmonics were not only clear in timbre, but also clearly articulated in the trill. In the “reference-cable” room, the timbre of the harmonics was still there, but clearly less rich. Most importantly, the articulation of the harmonics during the trill was smeared and unclear and a slight hardness had crept in on attacks. In other words, only the better cable was able to clearly pass the complex fast articulation of the harmonics in the trumpet trill and the subtle, delicate, but extremely fast “rise’ of the tone on the attack. The extreme speed of the trill highlights otherwise less noticeable shortcomings of the lesser cables--shortcomings that do have a profound effect on the final musical experience.
And it also fails the double blind test. They knew what equipment was what.
Exactly! It always seems to be the same type of person that believes they hear a difference.