Do you believe in jesus + god?

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I don't believe in it, but the way one or two people have been treating me I hope either:

A: There is a god to stop them from being utter scum
B: There is a hell so that these people suffer
 
SB118 said:
Have you not thought that perhaps it is just a story book?
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Yes, your point? It could be either.

Jambo said:
I think there is a vast disparity between the age of the Earth according to science and according to the bible.
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Good for you, but as has been said, perhaps the bible isn't supposed to be taken literally.

I don't have all the answers, and I don't consider myself a religious person, but as I've got a bit older, I've come to appreciate the faith that people hold in these beliefs, whether that is wrongly placed or not. It's something that I've never experienced.
 
AcidHell2 said:
is there? You are assuming that it is literal and you are assuming someones calculation that 6000 years is correct. Seeing as he bible does not give a date.
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Quite. Looking at it from a non biased view and having discussed it at length, people incorrectly assume that the religious lot take it literally when most of them will happily agree a large proportion of it is metaphorical.
 
Naff8000 said:
I'm amazed at how many americans believe in all that. Especially with modern day science + astronomy I haven't looked at the figures but I honestly wouldn't be suprised if 80% believed in the story of the bible. :eek::eek::rolleyes:
What do you all think? and if you'd like to join me on certain websites laughing at american christians then you'd be most welcome :D
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I many not suscribe to a religion, but laughing at people's faith's is wrong and rather immature.

Why can't you accept that they have a right to believe in what ever they wish.

Who is to say there is no God, what evidence can you give to support this?
 
Im open to the possibility of a god type figure, however i dont believe in organised religions as theyre man made and open to to many of mans interpretations and faults.
 
Was brought up in a family that encouraged me to make my own decisions and discoveries. For that reason, whilst my parents have some religious belief they chose not to have me or my sister baptised.

We went to a local United Reformed Church for most of my childhood but it was a very welcoming place which encouraged discussion and debate. I still go when I'm home sometimes, but I would not call myself Christian as I have difficulty accepting there is any god at all.

I believe there is some genuine value to religion, but it's not something I can place any faith in anymore.
 
I personally don't believe in it but I have neither evidence to support nor to the contrary so I can't go around saying God doesn't exist. Anyway if a benevolent super-being is real and it infact created the universe then you have no chance finding it if wants to be unseen.

What people need to realise is the bible is a collection of stories written by men, it's not the word of God.
 
I don't know. I don't believe in the traditional "God" but when you look at the beauty and complexity found in nature it's hard to think something intelligent didn't guide that.
 
Yes and yes.

I think there is no discrepancy between the bible and astronomy / the age of the earth (mainly because the bible doesn't say much about it). And I think that the earth is about 4.5 billion years old and the universe is about 14 billion years old.

And I think that Jesus immediate followers believed that he was resurrected is as historically demonstrable as pretty much anything else that happened in the first century (more so than a lot of it). And I can point you to peer reviewed secular history journal articles from the last few years that demonstrate this (if I go and look them up again).

And I did a geology degree, with some Astronomy as an elective. And I'm currently attending theological classes.

Ask your self: have you really thought about this?
 
Raised a Roman Catholic in a strict RC household. Now I'm an atheist, however I do have respect for those who have religious beliefs, although my restraint and politeness vanishes should they try to convert me. :D
 
I'm agnostic, but I do believe that the new testament was based on a real chap called Jesus, who happened to be a nice guy.. only the stories have been greatly exaggerated. There's astronomical proof that a planetary eclipse happened at the time of Jesus' birth (the star of bethlehem). Was he the son of God? of course not.
 
uv said:
There's astronomical proof that a planetary eclipse happened at the time of Jesus' birth (the star of bethlehem). Was he the son of God? of course not.
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Sauce?

It's fairly difficult pinning down exactly when Jesus was born. 6BC to 4BC seems likely.
 
I don't believe in god. There is evidence that Jesus did exist though so saying that you don't believe in him is odd. I don't believe that he was anything more then a preacher however.

I would never mock someones beliefs though. Just because someone finds comfort in believing there is a god looking out for them doesn't mean they are any less intelligent then one who doesn't.
 
Kol said:
Quite. Looking at it from a non biased view and having discussed it at length, people incorrectly assume that the religious lot take it literally when most of them will happily agree a large proportion of it is metaphorical.
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What i find fascinating is the more we learn the more the bible is shown to be historically accurate. That these events did happen, although exaggerated or confused in he Bible. Like Soddom was hit by rain of fire. but from an asteroid rather than Gods handy work. That massive floods did happen at the right time periods.

HeadlessChicken said:
There is a bit of difference between 6000 years, and 4.5 billion :p
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And?
 
Not really no, I do believe god is all around us in nature and that you make your own luck and are therefore your own god.
 
There's a fair bit of work done to come up with the idea of a 'mythical Jesus' (i.e. a jesus that was loosely based on a few characters around at the time, borrowing elements from a number of nearby religions) but none of it in mainstream journals.

Richard Dawkins dealt with it briefly in the God Delusion. Conclusion of that bit was 'Jesus probably existed'.
 
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