Why are apple so stingy...?

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deaglecat said:
Again, I don't mind a premium price for a premium product... but a premium price for a poverty spec product is where they seem to be at the moment. How much would that extra 2Gb of RAM (4Gb)... or an extra 160Gb of disk space really cost ? Stingy.
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All but the cheapest MacBook Pro and MacBook come with 4GB of RAM as standard. What's your issue?

It is a premium product and thus demands a premium price. Have a look at what happens to a laptop when you wedge desktop type parts in it. It ends up very think, very heavy with a battery life measured in minutes.

On the other hand a MacBook Pro is light, well built, capable of running pro level applications (Creative Suite, Final Cut Studio, Logic) and has a battery that lasts hours.

Apple price threads are as tired and old as the "OMG Apple only has one mouse button" threads. :)
 
CoxyBoy123 said:
I dont underestimate there quality, or there service, but i dont understand how they can justify £480 for 4gb ram :S
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Quite easily if you do the maths, you're talking about an upgrade from 4GB to 8GB, that isn't 4GB of RAM, it's replacement of the 4GB kit (cost on Crucial - about £75) with an 8GB kit (cost on crucial - due to 4GB modules still being very expensive - around £415)

So the cost to apple is at least £340 for the RAM, probably more as they'll massively bulk buy the 4GB kits and get better prices for them. Then add the extra work of the non standard customization to put 8GB of RAM in the machine and it's a premium sure but not such a massive one as you're making out.

I can't see any manufacturer doing it for much less than £400 in similar circumstances. You'd be better to pick on the hard drive prices as a cause for complaint.
 
So where do we draw the line... if they were offering 1Gb of RAM and an 80GB disk would that also be acceptable ?

I don't understand why they can't add extra RAM and HDD capacity when they start to fall behind...after all doing speed bumps is quite commonplace for apple.
 
They do.

They also spec the machines in such a way so that what you want is in the next model up. Look at the maximum spec white MacBook with all the trimmings. It's in the same money as the lowest MacBook Pro.

Same with the Mac Mini.. spec it up and you'll end up spending the same sort of money as you would for the next model up (iMac).

Every 6 months they'll add a bigger drive and more RAM, but the lowest models tend to get these upgrades last.
 
deaglecat said:
So where do we draw the line... if they were offering 1Gb of RAM and an 80GB disk would that also be acceptable ?
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It was in March 2006 when I bought my MBP.

My March 2009 Mini still came with 1GB RAM, and that ran the included operating system and applications perfectly well. OK, so it's had an upgrade to 4GB since, but that's cause I'm running multiple VMs on it.

Buy the pre-configured model that's closest to your needs. Custom building adds additional costs into the manufacturing process, much the same as specifying custom paint and options on a new car.
 
EVH said:
Epic troll kylew strikes again :rolleyes:

Don't like the prices? Don't buy.
Don't like the spec? Don't buy.
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Are you serious? I'm trolling because I post my opinion in a non-serious manor?

:rolleyes: Get out.

bigredshark said:
So what exactly is your point here? Don't like it - buy something else. Like it but can't afford it - tough luck, buy something else. It's a world of freedom in which you can buy whatever you want, that apple have a significant market share with so few different models and higher than average pricing suggests they're doing something right for some people. So what exactly is the point of trolling about it on the internet - make yourself feel better?
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Yeah, opinions that conflict are now called trolling. :rolleyes:

Apple is overpriced, FACT, whether that bothers you is another matter.

"Premium" is just a load of nonsense people use to justify the cost to themselves.

iPhones are overpriced, but I've still got one as a) there wasn't another phone offering the features I wanted and b) I managed to soften the cost by selling a brand new contract upgrade for £300.

As you said yourself, it's a world of freedom, so do try to not have a tantrum when some one says something you don't like or agree with.
 
You're saying it's overpriced, yet in the same sentence say there's nothing else that offers the same features. So what are you actually comparing here to judge that it's overpriced?

If there was a similar phone that offered the same build quality, design, features, speed, applications, battery life and customer support for half the price, then you could say it was overpriced. But that's just not the case.

You're trolling and that is a FACT!
 
they are stingy because they are care more about making money than they care about there customers. cant blame them though because its hard to find a company that doesnt...

ive been waiting to buy a new macbook pro for a while now but i just cant see how they are worth it at the moment when other companys are offering much better spec for the cash. bluray etc
 
These threads are boring now. Full of the same old crap over and over again.

Yes they are over priced for the specs, don't like it? Don't buy it then and stop whining like a little girl about it, no one cares.

Gotta love how worked up people get over a computer, quite sad really.
 
"andy" said:
they are stingy because they are care more about making money than they care about there customers. cant blame them though because its hard to find a company that doesnt...

ive been waiting to buy a new macbook pro for a while now but i just cant see how they are worth it at the moment when other companys are offering much better spec for the cash. bluray etc
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How can a company with possibly the best customer support service not care about their customers?
 
mr.sly said:
You're saying it's overpriced, yet in the same sentence say there's nothing else that offers the same features. So what are you actually comparing here to judge that it's overpriced?

If there was a similar phone that offered the same build quality, design, features, speed, applications, battery life and customer support for half the price, then you could say it was overpriced. But that's just not the case.

You're trolling and that is a FACT!
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There are similar phones that are cheaper, but I wanted an iPhone for specific reasons.

I find my iPhone utterly useless unless I've done something specific to it.


These are the "features" I'm talking about.

So yes, I do think iPhones are overpriced, but I like them.

No I'm not trolling. I don't get on here why people scream "troll" when some one says something they don't agree with ,especially since they're usually the first to moan about their rights of opinion or freedom being taken away. :rolleyes:

I'm sorry that some of you can't see apple hardware being criticised, but I'm well within my rights to an opinion to think that their hardware is overpriced.
 
mr.sly said:
How can a company with possibly the best customer support service not care about their customers?
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No they don't, from my experience, their customer service can be good, but it can also be terrible.

My friend took his iPhone back to an apple store for a replacement due to it having dead pixels and being unresponsive, and they wouldn't do anything about it, told him his warranty was void and said "tough luck" because of a completely unrelated issue.

There was a gap between the back and the metal trim around the phone, which to them, meant the warranty was completely invalidated?

Which is a load of nonsense.

It's like buying a car that develops a chassis fault, but they say tough luck because there's a dent on the roof due to some one standing on your car. Nonsense.
 
Justin said:
These threads are boring now. Full of the same old crap over and over again.

Yes they are over priced for the specs, don't like it? Don't buy it then and stop whining like a little girl about it, no one cares.

Gotta love how worked up people get over a computer, quite sad really.
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Evidently people do care.

You can't say apple is overpriced without the whiners coming out and telling you your opinion doesn't count because it disagrees with their own.

The people who are whining are those that appear to think opinions should be illegal unless it conforms with their own point of view.

The "apple fanboys" are the ones who obviously care most and who do the whining, I think they're overpriced, evidently, but I'm not whining as I'm not looking to buy one. I wouldn't buy one because I don't think they're worth the money, again something I'm entitled to think.
 
Feek said:
Nope, not all models are.
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Do you know.. I think I agree with you... but more so on Ipods than macs.

For me... macs are expensive which is fine..and you do get nice design, packaging and a decent O/S. They also have good residuals.

But there is a tipping point at which a weak spec makes the whole proposition unconvincing - and in my opinion... that is where the base MBP are today.
 
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