Modern car hate club

Bit of a blanket statement, even if it is generally true. Still, in a head on collision, I'm certain my car would give me a btter chance of survival than something smaller like a smart or something. To me it would be comparable to getting on a plane or rollercoaster or something - it maybe less safe than staying at home, but it's a lot less boring too.

 
Yes, if I properly nail it from a standstill it will spin the wheels but.. Why on earth would I want to do that? It a) wears out tyres b) wears out the gearbox/diff/shafts c) wears out the clutch and d) makes you look like a prize prat.

And yes it's a lot easier to spin the wheels in the wet but I.... drive according to the conditions :rolleyes:


Do they hand out licenses to 13 year olds over there?

Because it's fun...

You do you even do this? Why do you drive like a ****? You'll regret it when you brake something.

Because it brings a smile to my face...
A quick light gp against whoever accepts it makes the difference from being grumpy and annoyed to me feeling very exited and happy for the next few hours...
 
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once or twice... my golf has done 215k miles. it has been to santa pod more times than i can remmeber, it gets driven hard on a regular basis. full bore in first gear, even from a standing start doesnt matter unless you have a chocolate fireguard of a car

Golfs = overengineered tbh (that's not a bad thing tho) but it is a reason they have got so lardy of recent vintage.

But 215k miles is pretty good on an old VW box, they werent the most reliable in the past!
 
Because it's fun...

Buying a decent car and driving it properly I'm sure will be more fun than lighting up the wheels at traffic lights to try and impress 15 year old baseball cap-wearing bystanders, whilst making everyone else think you're a bit stupid.

I'd like to say I was the same when I was your age, but I wasn't. :confused:
 
Golfs = overengineered tbh (that's not a bad thing tho) but it is a reason they have got so lardy of recent vintage.

But 215k miles is pretty good on an old VW box, they werent the most reliable in the past!

back to putting your foot down. ive been warned about full bore in the S4 in 1st (nearly 400lbft and 4wd)

ive only gone flat in 1st a couple times but just earlier i exitted a tesco petrol station sideway after leaving the forecourt in 2nd then flooring it once it got roughly straight. the boost arrived, it spun all four wheels putting the back out nicely... spinning up all four in 2nd... gearboxes are not as fragile as you make out
 
I am not making out they are fragile, they take a fair bit of abuse, my old citroen GSA got the heck abused out of it for 5 years and never let me down. (it deserved it tbh)

Next owner had issues tho

:D
 
Because you are loading up the gearbox with 100% of the engine's power in a very short time. This is a problem with some Clio 172s where owners have been doing 1st gear launches and ended up needed a new gearbox. 1st should only be treated as a gear to get the car rolling.

This may be different in performance cars, but certainly normal boring boxes in normal boring cars would work on this premise.

WTF? Are Fiestas really that poor?

If you have a small 4pot NA engine with no torque the only way to get the thing to move something like swiftly is to rev it all the way in 1st.
Certainly that's how my car gets driven on open roads, even then it will only manage 0-60 in 10 long seconds, people in german diesel cars still pass me when they are driving conservatively.
Obviously you wouldn't do this in a populated area because you'd look like a total penis.
 
I think he's probably referring more to dumping the clutch and leaving the scene in a cloud of tyre smoke, I'd imagine pulling off 'normally' then burying the throttle is fine if you've got some degree of mechnical sympathy for the clutch/gearchange operation
 
Do you lot think they'll ever bring back a trend for RWD cars? Or are we so set in our ways now for FWD (which I presume is easier to manufacture?). I guess AWD is now the new desired thing?
FWD is more efficient through fewer gearing losses and takes up less space as well.

Seriously?! Do you know how much safer modern cars are?
Seriously, are you that scared on the road that you think about this? Man up :p

Mine isn't the sturdiest of vehicles but I'm not going to OMG DIE!!!12 at the slightest ding. I'll have to seriously wipe out at 60+ for that to happen.
 
Hmm, sounds like I've gotta stop flooring it in 1st then. :p


They're working on a new bypass here atm so the current dual carriage way has bits closed off, temporary roundabouts and the like. The bit where I join is only about a 1/2 mile stretch with just two turn offs onto country roads along the way and a dead end further up so it's pretty much always empty. If I'm in the mood, I'll pull up to the stop sign, check nothings coming and then floor it. Pretty childish though and not much fun anyway in a 1.1 :D

I'll stop though. Don't wanna have to fork out for a new gearbox. :(
 
over revving the engine in first will not damage the gearbox. also, damagewise, the limiter prevents damage

so where is the damage?
 
Why do some manufacturers torque limit engines in 1st ger if there is no more wear on a car nailing it to the redline in 1st than, say, in 4th?
 
If you're redlining ANYTHING in ANY gear you've got to expect damage. My redline is around 6500, but I don't need anything like that to make it fly off the line in 1st, I'll always change up way before that. Don't know how fragile modern cars are, but my prop, box, clutch and diff are all pretty solidly built (I should know I put them on there). Think it would take more than a bit of enthusiastic driving to trash them. Redlining it is more likely to damage the engine internals than the transmission.

over revving the engine in first will not damage the gearbox. also, damagewise, the limiter prevents damage

so where is the damage?

Limiter?
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