Homeowner fights off knife-wielding burglars, gets 30 months; burglar spared jail

I find it bad the guy who tried to rob the family didnt see a prison sentence.

I find it good that the guy who did the beating got a prison sentence.

If it's unlawful, Then you deserve to be punished.

There's nothing lawful about chasing down a man and beating him senseless.
 
chrisd said:
Why, after such an upsetting ordeal, would you leave your wife and kids alone in the house while you run up the road to batter his head in? :confused:
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Another rational comment and not one I disagree with. However, when loved ones have been placed in harms way in such a manner can rationality always play a part? Human beings are primed for fight or flight! I may suggest that I would go out of my way to protect my family but the reality is that I'm fortunate enough to have never been in such a dire situation. The truth is that I honestly don't know how I'd react.

Everything I have said is not to condone but to express an understanding for his actions and whilst he has broken the law I cannot bring myself to condemn him.
 
30 months for getting to beat the living daylights out of the scum that broke into your house tied your family up, etc, etc.

Sounds like a bargain to me.
 
Voltar said:
Then it would be justified in my opinion if it were in his own home: I would be disappointed to see him go to prison for fighting them off to protect his bound family in his own home.



The difference is, for those who don't see it is that he went to get his brother and hunted the offender, hue and cry style, and beat him senseless in public.
I sometimes wonder if people realise that some of the things they advocate are dangerously close to sharia law. Hue and cry type street justice where a robber is chased by literally the whole street and hacked up is what happens in backward islamic countries. And yes, I've lived in an islamic country where this used to take place (my parents had the misfortune of witnessing this kind of barbarism which is condoned in this thread).
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While I agree with that, I'd like to point out that the point of the old hue and cry system was not to raise a gang to brutally murder someone who might or might not have been guilty of something. The point was to prevent them escaping, arrest them and take them to the authorities. In practice, the point was generally to avoid being fined for not doing it, as it was a legal requirement for the first finder to raise the hue and cry.
 
Moley said:
30 months for getting to beat the living daylights out of the scum that broke into your house tied your family up, etc, etc.

Sounds like a bargain to me.
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And now your family is left unprotected for 30 months.

The accomplices can come and exact revenge on your wife and children while you're helpless to stop them.
 
Strife212 said:
Ok, great.

So lets hear what justice is then.
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Perhaps you should move to the middle east, think you'd fit in well there. Never mind locking criminals up, let's just execute them in public!

Laughable.

Justice does not equal revenge. Revenge is action thoroughly burdened with emotion and as such is not a rational response.
 
Sam said:
Problem is if he had simply chased those people down and restrained them what would the police have done ? errrr perhaps a few hours community service :p [..]
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Reality is not Dail Mail fantasy land.

In reality, people do not get sentenced to a few hours community service for breaking and entering, false imprisonment, assault and threats to kill, especially if some of the victims are children.

Please be realistic.
 
Skyfall said:
I must have missed the part of the article that said he had never been to jail, or what the convictions were for, they could have been for stealing sweets from the corner shop for all I know, surely a danger to everyone's families...
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By his action on that night it would be safe to say that he was a danger to any family that he wished to rob.... He had clearly moved on from stealing sweeties... and if he had of spend time in jail he was not fit for release as his action on that very night proved...


Skyfall said:
And ok so even if the justice system did fail him the correct course of action is not to beat the living daylights out of someone with bats and poles, one should try and stimulate change in the law.
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Should, would and could but did not. The man did the right thing in my mind, they robbed and beat him and he beat one of them. Thats what happens when the system of law fails.
 
G-MAN2004 said:
If he had chased him down, grabbed him and kept him restrained until the police arrived, would he have been done with kidnapping? :p
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Of course not. We have a legal right to forcibly restrain people under such circumstances, a form of arrest.
 
wannabedamned said:
I find it bad the guy who tried to rob the family didnt see a prison sentence.

I find it good that the guy who did the beating got a prison sentence.

If it's unlawful, Then you deserve to be punished.

There's nothing lawful about chasing down a man and beating him senseless.
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I agree with you, but I'd like to clarify a point. It is lawful to chase down a person and knock them out, which could be called "beating them senseless".

The UK has strong defence laws. One example of reasonable force used by the Home Office and the police was that of chasing down someone who had stolen an item from you, forcing them to the ground and punching them in the face.
 
Tefal said:
And now your family is left unprotected for 30 months.

The accomplices can come and exact revenge on your wife and children while you're helpless to stop them.
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You assume I am the only one protecting my family. We have a large extended family and they would be taken care of.
 
The problem was he beat him down the street, you wouldn't get away with that even in America. Should have dragged him back to the house, then beat him.
 
feel sorry for the father...he hasn't finished the job and the judge has sent him away for 30 months.

now who will protect his family ...the police ? good luck with that one.
 
what’s the point of hussain spending 30 months in jail?

If it's for punishment, then that is too severe, a fine and community service would be more constructive.

If I went to jail for beating someone ****less that threatened my family, that wouldn’t stop me doing it again. if someone puts that much fear in you, and you get an opportunity for revenge, you’d ****ing take it!
 
I hope salem is a vegetable for the rest of his days.


It's far too easy for people on this forum to say 'meh he overreacted'. However were masked intruders to hold your wife and children at knife-point and state that they were going to kill you and possibly them, then I'm pretty sure you would also 'over-react' and beat the robber sensless first chance you got.
 
This thread depresses me.

The thought that people actually think chasing someone down the road in a mob and beating them using weapons until they suffer permanent brain damage is a reasonable reaction is, frankly, baffling.

This thread makes the daily mail look reasonable, its even got its own sensationalist headline.

Next up, Prince Phillip killed Diana for associating with one of those dirty immigrants.
 
Deific said:
It's far too easy for people on this forum to say 'meh he overreacted'. However were masked intruders to hold your wife and children at knife-point and state that they were going to kill you and possibly them, then I'm pretty sure you would also 'over-react' and beat the robber sensless first chance you got.
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That is completely irrelevant.
 
jwest said:
what’s the point of hussain spending 30 months in jail?

If it's for punishment, then that is too severe, a fine and community service would be more constructive.

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A fine and community service for a particularly brutal attempted murder?

I think that if you read of someone being given a fine and community service for a particularly brutal attempted murder, you'd be raging about it.
 
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